HoI4 Dev Diary - Soviet Union Exiles

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“Comrade Bratyn, you have been found guilty of counter-WW2 activity. You have been seen consorting with citizens and even figurehead ideologues of the Imperator team. Undeniable proof of work by your hand can be seen in publications by this group of dissidents made over the course of the past year. You do not fool us. We know “Drikus” is just another alias you use.
“Your attempts at shirking your duties to the Team will not be tolerated. Discussion of the Classical Period is wholly unacceptable behaviour for a HoI4 citizen; publication of treasonous material is a crime far, far worse. You are hereby stripped of your rank and sentenced to the mines in HoI-beria. Perhaps a year’s hard labor working on good, proper WW2 material will enable you to see the errors of your ways, and rehabilitate you sufficiently to regain your previous liberties.
“Comrade Bratyn, I will not welcome you back. You were foolish to think you could ever leave, in the first place.”


Hello everyone, and welcome to the third (yes you read that right) dev diary on the Soviet Union focus tree! And yes, in the words of a famous hero who fought valiantly and sacrificed himself for the defense of Earth some 25 years ago: “Hello boys! I’m baaaaaaaaaack!” Not to worry, though! Unlike Russel, I’m not here to destroy the project by dealing catastrophic damage to the superweapon that is this very next DLC that we’re unleashing upon a collection of RVs near a remote and officially non-existing military base in Nevada the world. That requires backbone, and we’re not allowed to have one of those here in HoI-beria.

It has already been explained in previous DDs that the sheer size of the Soviet tree has meant multiple CDs have been slaving away working proudly on it. This has been doubly the case for the non-Communist branches (which the eagle-eyed among you already noticed in last week's diary must lurk off to the side of the picture you were shown): the collection of CDs that have contributed to these branches have almost been as numerous and varied as the groups comprising the White Movement that inspired them... *Laughs nervously, glancing at his room’s locked door* While I initially was given some background features to toil away on, I eventually was drafted into this group of laborers-- *Glances at the silhouettes of guards visible through the window in the door, sweating this time and continuing in an excessively loud voice* ...Erhhh, I-I mean, I volunteered for this honorable task to contribute in some small way to the ever-increasing glory of the HoI4 Team, which has so graciously and mercifully deigned to allow me to prove my unceasing loyalty through my labor! *Sweats profusely* ...I, uh, am also proud to have volunteered as… as spokesman for this assembled group of CDs, and tell you all about what we’ve been doing!

*Clears throat raspily* Very well, let’s get started.


The Exiles

In 1936 the so-called White Movement was in shambles. Despite extensive international support, the Bolsheviks had eventually defeated the loose and diverse anti-Communist coalition (who really only agreed on one point: that the communists must be defeated) that vied for control of the country in the Russian Civil War. With many of their leaders dead, much of the remnants of the Whites fled the country rather than be purged. Many of these fled to Manchuria, which in the early 1930s was invaded and occupied by the Japanese.

In the years afterwards these exiles in Manchuria were supported by the Japanese to cause problems for the Soviets across the border (including such intrepid endeavours as erecting a giant neon swastika 3km from the Soviet-Manchurian border). While certainly not the only collection of White exiles in the world, they were the only ones to be in any conceivable position to do any material damage whatsoever to the Soviet state. If an anti-Soviet uprising was to take place, it would therefore likely be in the old White-controlled areas of the Far East and Siberia: far from the tightly-controlled industrial areas of the far west of the Soviet Union, and where Japanese equipment and support would be most forthcoming.

Are you up for the challenge of ousting the Bolsheviks after all, guiding the nation through an Electric Boogaloo of Russian civil wars, reinstating the Romanovs, and, finally, returning its former Glory to the Russian Empire?

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The Build-Up

If so, the only way to affect such a drastic change by the mid-1930s is through civil war.

In many ways the build-up to the Civil War for the Nationalists and the Tsarists plays similar to the Communist Opposition build-ups, albeit with a somewhat different touch. The red army is highly politicized so you will find it harder to actually gain a large following there, and you won’t get any support from the NKVD either. But let’s look at the “pre-civil-war” part of the tree:

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This part of the branch all revolves around various ways in which to prepare for the civil war: obtaining equipment, units, factories, national spirits, decisions, and even advisors for when the civil war kicks off. At the same time, decisions allow you to spread your influence (starting in the Far East) throughout the Soviet Union, readying states for an uprising to coincide with crossing the border from Manchuria. Despite this preparatory work, however, the Soviets have solidified their power tremendously over the past 20 years, and this war will be a challenge.

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Religion

One way of preparing for the continuation of the counterrevolution, and undermining communist support, is to gain the support of the church. Some of the Orthodox Church’s bishops (‘metropolitans’) had fled abroad rather than cooperate with such a militant atheist government as Stalin’s. Others elected to stay, and in 1927 Patriarch Sergy issued a divisive Proclamation on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church that professed absolute loyalty to the Communist government of the country. Many metropolitans broke communion with him as a result. Despite the proclamation, 1931 still saw the destruction of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow, to make room for a colossal Palace of the Soviets. These are the kinds of decisions that need to be overturned to return faith and religion to the central position that it deserves in Russian society, providing suitable rewards accordingly.

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Eventually, you may begin the war:

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As stated, it will not be easy, and the Soviets enjoy a tremendous military and industrial advantage over you. You will have to make intelligent use of your resources and subversive activities to level the playing field even slightly and make an unlikely victory happen. Luckily, the possibility of foreign aid exists, though even this may not be enough. The final ‘ace in the hole’ is swallowing your pride and making the Japanese an offer they cannot resist: the elimination of a rival power to their northwest, major territorial gains on the Pacific coast, and even the installation of a subject regime in the power vacuum their rival’s collapse would create… All this might buy their direct involvement, but the price is very high...

Consolidation

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Once the civil war has been won, it is now time to consolidate your power, rebuild the war-torn nation, and replace the White provisional government with the more stable will of a Romanov. This calls for the convening of a Zemsky Sobor, who will elect Tsar Vladimir I to this position.

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These focuses (and some of the later religious branch’s focuses) also will also spark the return of many anti-Communist exiles to their homeland. From here, you may continue to embrace either of the two predominant ideological flows that comprise the White Movement:

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The first of these is the Tsarist branch - solidifying the Tsar’s autocratic control over the country and restoring the Romanov dynasty. This branch seeks to restore the Russian Empire’s old borders; reconquering the many states that were lost after the Great War, and pushing beyond.

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The second of these is the Fascist branch - turning over power to Rodzaevsky and reducing the Tsarist to a figurehead monarch, like in many nations in the West. Under this leadership, the embarrassments of old will be redressed and avenged; in particular the Empire’s defeat at the hands of Japan over 30 years prior. This path also focuses on naval build-up in the far east, and even explores bold forays into the Americas…

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Finally, a doublet of formable nations exist for these branches. As the Tsarists, it is possible to extol the unity of the Slavic Peoples, and truly take up the role of their Protector. Be strong enough, be liked enough, and Slavic nations under threat will join you willingly. If not, you may take them by force. Regardless of how you unify them: you may form a grand Union of the Slavs if you succeed in this task.

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Alternatively (and open to both branches), you might emphasize the role of the Church in the new nation you have created. Choosing this spiritual path will elevate the Metropolitan of Harbin to leader of the nation, and opens up the ability to claim Russia’s rightful place as the only true heirs of an empire long gone…

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Finally, I’ll briefly hand over the word to Comrade @Wrongwraith.

New Releasables

As hinted in last week's DD we’ve also added a few more releasable countries that can become independent in a peace deal or through focuses. So basically all SSR’s, ASSR’s and some of the Okrugs of the USSR are covered, as well as some other countries that existed before the establishment of the Soviet Union in 1922.

To give you an idea, the map can now look like this:

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Some of the releasable countries overlap. For example, the Far Eastern Republic has cores on both Chukotka and Vladivostok as well. The map above shows as many simultaneous countries as possible in the Soviet Union area.

And of course this means loads of new flags. Some of you guessed right last week! The flags shown were for an independent communist Karelia and a non-aligned Buryat Republic.

And there are loads more, like this one for example:

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In addition, we added a few new formables for those countries, just in case you feel like reforming Idel Ural for example.



Now, with that out of the way: that was all from us for today! It should go without saying that the tree is still being actively worked on, and so what you saw here may not represent 100% what is eventually released. I do hope you liked this little peek into what’s going on with the not-so-Communist Soviet things! *Attempts to feign a joyful laugh, but then glances nervously at the door again, leans forward, and adds in an urgent whisper:* I mean it… If I don’t meet my quota of likes and get a ratio of above 90% for this diary I’ll be scrubbing keyboards for a month!

Oh - almost forgot - the Soviet Focus Tree behemoth as of currently:


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Thank you for the constructive criticism! We're reading the threads, and while certain suggestions had been considered already before the DD they would simply be too involved to include. However, development is still continuing, and we're actively considering feedback and any changes we can make as a result of that. Fundamental and systemic changes to the design will not happen, but we can (and had already planned to) flesh out some things further with the addition of a handful more focuses. We'll see how best to handle that in the time we have left. Just to not get hopes up too much: we're talking the addition of maybe 5-ish relatively simple focuses of various sorts, which hopefully can add some flavor.

Let's not forget that Content Designers do a lot more than simply 'create focus trees', and there are a lot of other features still coming up in DDs that also require our attention ;)
I hope you are still open for the ideas. I fixed/adjusted some things from my previous suggestion, i would be glad if you look at it when you have time.

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I'm really dissapointed in this diary. The historial and non-Stalin USSR pathes are seem to be really developed with so much love and details. And what do we have with Exiles paths? Straightforward "build up for a civil war" path that leads to absolute mess of trashy meme political branches that designed in a "get free wargoal and that's all" kind of design that looks like a patch 1.0 way to design trees and looks so bland and unimmersive nowdays. Becoming a theocratic pope-like state in two focuses? Are you serious? And what is an Arch-Patriarch thing? This title is not even exists in Orthodox Cristianity in a first place. Vladimir Romanov coring half of the Europe in some kind of pan-slavic empire? Rodzaevsky aka "fan of an strong absolute monarchy" creates weak figurehead monarchy and goes to fight the Japanese and spread Russian fascism in Costa Rica? Are you sure we are not talking about some trash alt-history mod?
 
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I hope you are still open for the ideas. I fixed/adjusted some things from my previous suggestion, i would be glad if you look at it when you have time.

I would add a "moderate" menshevik path to the communist side as the democratic opisition as opposed to the both left center and right oppisitions. Democracy for russia would give large bonuses to construction speed and research speed. RN im playing a russia mod that adds a good democratic path.
 
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I am not familiar with these works, and I appreciate the recommendations, but if this is referring to the socialist and communist youth gangs or the role of the social democrats after they were driven underground, I am afraid they did not matter to the point where they'd need a focus tree of their own in my view.

Before operation Valkyrie, the conspirators had met with members of the social democrats and agreed to work together after the war, this sort if agreement is already represented by the constitutional monarchy.

If you are referring to something else, I will admit that I lack knowledge of it.
Christians, Centrum Democrats and Scout Organizations are not Communists. That is why I strongly recommend reading.
And I would not say that the majority of Eastern Germans Post war were happy either apart from some few Communist party elitist were happy to be told to be Communist now. They most likely stayed were they grew up, because it was dangerous to flee or oppose the government.
 
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Actually russia has historicly considered itself a mother country and the protector of the slavic peoples. And they puppeted most slavic nations after ww2, IF you want a historical game just go down the historical route for your nation and turn historical ai on.
Yes it did. And magically it allowed them to annex Czechs, Slovaks, Poles and others. Not only that but they all willingly gave up their countries because Russia said so. I must have made it up that Poles fought Russia, Soviets and Tsarists alike for independence, sided with Austrians and Germans for sake of Poland, and I'm sure they will be willing to give that up because Russia said it's panslavic now.
 
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Yeah tbh the SRS maybe could be represented as a path between communists and democracy. Maybe a far left emocracy path and also an anarchist russia path would be cool.
I do not want to pick on you personally, and maybe other people could comment - while it might be cool to play anarchist, the developers would have to fill this path with historically plausible content.

Personally, I do not see what that content would be.
 

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I read the developers 'diary called" Exiles from the Soviet Union" and was stunned, a huge number of questions appeared to the developers.
First, why are historical errors allowed in the product of a large game studio, even in the numbering of the monarch, Vladimir Kirillovich at the coronation should not be the first, but the third, the first and second were Vladimir Krasnoe Solnyshko and Monomakh, respectively.
Secondly, what is the understatement of alternative right-wing paths? If there is literally everything on the alternative left paths, then only Rodzaevsky and Vladimir Kirillovich are among the right ones? Why are the democratic forces not shown, which were distributed in the same way as the VFP, which have great Western support, as I understood, neither Semenov nor Denikin, who were either as important as Rodzaevsky, or even more important, were involved.
Thirdly, the existing two ways have a terrible implementation, starting from direct historical mistakes, ending with the lack of obvious projects to expand the sphere of influence of Russia, but interaction with South America has been added. The coming to power itself is also implemented crookedly, starting from the shape of the trees: in one place they are stretched as much as possible, in another they are located as tightly as possible.
#Alternative_focus_of_the_Soviet_Union_are_very_bad
 
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Dear Developers!
After a series of reading your diaries dedicated to the tricks of the USSR, I have a few questions for you, if you have time, you can answer them please!

1) Do you plan to add the ability to bring Vlasov to power? After all, as I remember, in previous versions of the game, if you do not carry out the purges, then he arranged a civil war.

2) Do you plan to add new reichskommissariats for Germany to the eastern territories?

3) If it's not a secret, what other formable countries will be added, besides those you mentioned in your diaries?

I would also like to suggest that you add as a separate country from the USSR - the Siberian Republic, which existed during the years of civil war in Russia.

And also, considering that for the monarchist branch you added focuses that allow you to return the lost territories of the empire, why not add a focus related to the real colonial project of Russia called "Zeltorussia"? If you are not aware, this is a project whose goal was the gradual colonization and development of eastern China (that is, Manchuria), but however, due to the defeat in the Russian-Japanese war, the Russian Empire had to curtail the project. It would be cool if you, for the fascist or for the monarchist branch, would add focuses related to this project, allowing, for example: to make claims on the entire territory of Manchuria and then extract resources there, or, for example, to make Manchukuo become a pro-Russian puppet.
You have brought up a plausible alt path in #1. Vlasov did play an interesting role in history. Provided Germany would have been willing to grant him and maybe other ethnicities (Kalmucks, Tartars, etc.), it would have been interesting how that could have developed.
There were actually some Brandenburg special operations planned (and haphazardly even executed).
 

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К сожалению, нет. Это искусство еще не было завершено - к счастью, у нас уже были значки фокуса, чтобы показать их ;)
The community is already angry. You have released bad tricks that are very stretched, because they are done thoughtlessly. Why is there no democratic path for Kerensky, Milyukov, the Social Revolutionaries and the Mensheviks? Why aren't the other white generals coming back: Denikin, Krasnov and others ? Another question is why the monarchist Rodzaevsky is needed, if in fact he planned to create a kind of Nazi Germany in Russia with a local leader? So, you have chosen two ways to return the monarchy: the ordinary and the fascist, then the question arises: why can't the countries that were part of the empire be returned to the fascist monarchy? Why didn't you add the possibility to return the Educational Assembly that the whites planned to convene and make an alternative path out of it, for example: an absolute and limited monarchy, a republic, or simply leave a military junta in which the fascists can come to power? The mechanics of the Civil War are very similar to the Spanish one, did you just take it from there?
In the comments, people are not happy and have launched #dlc_in_the_trash
Thanks for the answer!
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And of course the silly, implausible, Russia fresh out of civil war invading USA style focuses continue. Russian empire saying were pan Slavic and willingly annexing entirety of Eastern Europe. Jesus Christ. This game died with HOI3

HoI3 was shit. The only thing i really liked about it and miss in HoI4 was unironically the OOB.
 
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I'm really dissapointed in this diary. The historial and non-Stalin USSR pathes are seem to be really developed with so much love and details. And what do we have with Exiles paths? Straightforward "build up for a civil war" path that leads to absolute mess of trashy meme political branches that designed in a "get free wargoal and that's all" kind of design that looks like a patch 1.0 way to design trees and looks so bland and unimmersive nowdays. Becoming a theocratic pope-like state in two focuses? Are you serious? And what is an Arch-Patriarch thing? This title is not even exists in Orthodox Cristianity in a first place. Vladimir Romanov coring half of the Europe in some kind of pan-slavic empire? Rodzaevsky aka "fan of an strong absolute monarchy" creates weak figurehead monarchy and goes to fight the Japanese and spread Russian fascism in Costa Rica? Are you sure we are not talking about some trash alt-history mod?
Yeah i wish we had like a turkey sized tree for russia.
 
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The community is already angry. You have released bad tricks that are very stretched, because they are done thoughtlessly. Why is there no democratic path for Kerensky, Milyukov, the Social Revolutionaries and the Mensheviks? Why aren't the other white generals coming back: Denikin, Krasnov and others ? Another question is why the monarchist Rodzaevsky is needed, if in fact he planned to create a kind of Nazi Germany in Russia with a local leader? So, you have chosen two ways to return the monarchy: the ordinary and the fascist, then the question arises: why can't the countries that were part of the empire be returned to the fascist monarchy? Why didn't you add the possibility to return the Educational Assembly that the whites planned to convene and make an alternative path out of it, for example: an absolute and limited monarchy, a republic, or simply leave a military junta in which the fascists can come to power? The mechanics of the Civil War are very similar to the Spanish one, did you just take it from there?
In the comments, people are not happy and have launched #dlc_in_the_trash
Thanks for the answer!View attachment 749670
Solidarity, comrade
 
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They are not 'discharged'. Character art has not been finalized and so we have not shown off any characters. We do not represent everyone, but we do include exiles from many different places.

These will be exclusive to the Communists.

Plausibility was never the reason for it not being included. See Arheo's reply here:



They are represented in the advisor pool.



Just as in the Spanish Focus Tree, we are hiding irrelevant parts of the tree depending on which political branch you select as the Soviets. We are also continuing to explore other ways of improving Focus Tree presentation :)

;)

Graphical glitch - I'm being serious. What you have seen so far is what there is. This will be the final dev diary on the Soviet focus tree, barring perhaps a last-minute DD reflecting changes that may or may not still be made to various branches.

I'd personally argue that it is the CK franchise that thrives on 'randomness', as you call it. HoI4 I think is the most planning-heavy game in Paradox's entire portfolio. The game revolves almost entirely around predictability and being able to use that predictability to plan ahead.

.. / .-- .. ... .... -.-.--

Thank you for the constructive criticism! We're reading the threads, and while certain suggestions had been considered already before the DD they would simply be too involved to include. However, development is still continuing, and we're actively considering feedback and any changes we can make as a result of that. Fundamental and systemic changes to the design will not happen, but we can (and had already planned to) flesh out some things further with the addition of a handful more focuses. We'll see how best to handle that in the time we have left. Just to not get hopes up too much: we're talking the addition of maybe 5-ish relatively simple focuses of various sorts, which hopefully can add some flavor.

Let's not forget that Content Designers do a lot more than simply 'create focus trees', and there are a lot of other features still coming up in DDs that also require our attention ;)
A non-aggression pact and a secret protocol is not a mutually beneficial alliance, but a forced measure by both sides. Germany could not be afraid of a second front, and the USSR received carte blanche for Western Ukraine and Belarus, the Baltic States, Finland and Bessarabia and delayed the start of the war, for which the Red Army was obviously not ready (and not very well in 1941). And if we talk about the supply of resources, then the USA and Japan or Germany are also allies? I do not in any way justify this event, but this is not a union, rather a forced partnership
 
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I was really hoping for a democratic branch to bring back Alexander Kerensky from his exile abroad. Yes it's a bit out there but I hoped that, similar to Germany, a constitutional monarchy might be created leading to a democratic path (perhaps one that would eventually get rid of the monarchy a second time to declare a Russian republic). Hey ho, you can't have it all.
 
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According to my earlier poll, some 94% of respondents want PDX to just take their time, charge a little bit more, sure, but to actually deliver the comprehensive and well thought out tree many here have been discussing.

If any devs are listening, please respond!
 
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I hope you are still open for the ideas. I fixed/adjusted some things from my previous suggestion, i would be glad if you look at it when you have time.
USSR isn't getting a Democratic path for the same reason Germany isn't getting a Communist path - this is a war simulator, not a politics simulator, and by 1942, Britain, Soviets or Germany has to start the war.
 
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A non-aggression pact and a secret protocol is not a mutually beneficial alliance, but a forced measure by both sides. Germany could not be afraid of a second front, and the USSR received carte blanche for Western Ukraine and Belarus, the Baltic States, Finland and Bessarabia and delayed the start of the war, for which the Red Army was obviously not ready (and not very well in 1941). And if we talk about the supply of resources, then the USA and Japan or Germany are also allies? I do not in any way justify this event, but this is not a union, rather a forced partnership
Let's not also forget the legal ramifications which I pointed to earlier in the thread...
 
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