HOI4 Dev Diary - South Africa - together for victory?

[Sleight of Hand]

@Zarathustra_the

The excavation techs do this already, or do you just mean on top of those?

 

[Zarathustra_the]

@Zarathustra_the

The excavation techs do this already, or do you just mean on top of those?

You haven't seen what happens when air war goes crazy, no matter how far you push the tech tree, there is just not enough raw material, specifically aluminium in the world!

 

[Sleight of Hand]

You haven't seen what happens when air war goes crazy, no matter how far you push the tech tree, there is just not enough raw material, specifically aluminium in the world!

That's a separate issue, though. The AI builds far too many planes. @SteelVolt needs to take a look at that.

 

[Zarathustra_the]

That's a separate issue, though. The AI builds far too many planes. @SteelVolt needs to take a look at that.

Last Multi I was in had something like 40,000 planes by 1941.... It is not the A.I. it is the nature of the air war, at the moment when you commit to it, you need to commit to it entirely. Further as the entire world gets mobilized there is a raw material shortage, where there is simply not enough in the world. With Oil and Rubber this is solvable using the artifical production, with the metals however, it becomes absolutely terminal, as eventually you simply cannot add more resources to the world.

 

[Arot]

Apart from all the extras listed so far...will the patch further improve AI and late game performance ?

 

[CODY 29]

The real question is more TAGs incoming?

 

[King-Salomon]

I really like it

@podcat : maybe you should "reserve" the 2nd article of each new DD to let mods copy your/devs answers to regular questions into it... guess it's really time consuming to read/answer the same questions again and again for the team and would help everyone who has not read all the other pages in all the other DDs already...

 

[Archangel85]

I really like it

@podcat : maybe you should "reserve" the 2nd article of each new DD to let mods copy your/devs answers to regular questions into it... guess it's really time consuming to read/answer the same questions again and again for the team and would help everyone who has not read all the other pages in all the other DDs already...

You can just select "show only dev responses" in the top right.

 

[grandad1982]

Of course, everyone knows this picture. Logistics in Africa should be damn complicated.

Hey the uk gets the lemurs. Sweet!

 

[him_15]

One question, will the leader of the commonwealth UK get a Nat. Focus tree revamp in this expansion as well?

 

[King-Salomon]

You can just select "show only dev responses" in the top right.

thanks, didn't know that one cool

but honestly my point was not about me but reading the same few questions 2-4x in each DD comments is something I guess you guys are even more tiried off than I am ...

just thinking how to reduce the "is there this and this and this in the patch or dlc" questions

 

[-Grizzly-]

In gameplay vs history, I'd agree with that decision since America already faces in game a lot of obstacles to mobilise. Like i said i was more curious if there could be more flavour for segregation but thats not an exact priority.

To be fair, I do think Order 9981 should have some role in the game, simply becuase it's historically significant. (Mabye as an event?)

 

[Sleight of Hand]

To be fair, I do think Order 9981 should have some role in the game, simply becuase it's historically significant. (Mabye as an event?)

Possibly, although officially the game does end in 1948.

 

[pbp51]

@podcat What about India (British Raj)? It was (& is) part of the Commonwealth after all...

 

[Sleight of Hand]

@podcat What about India (British Raj)? It was (& is) part of the Commonwealth after all...

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/together-for-victory-announced.979464/

'The centerpiece of Together for Victory is a set of new National Focus trees for five subjects of the British crown: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and the British Raj in India.'

 

[Kozer]

Love the new continues foci! Wewt Wewt

 

[melkor88]

Obviously I need to see what it is like in practice first, but it could really put me off not playing with historical focus on, as SA are likely to go fascist/commie everytime, which is something you don't see with other nations.

 

[Cody MacArthur Fett]

One nerdy question I do have is how many Draka references will be in the Fascist branch of the South African focus tree. Because if there's one thing I'm sure a lot of people will do using the tag function it's sending South Africa down that path only so that later on they can hit them over the head with a big ol' Allied stick for cathartic reasons after finishing the aforementioned book series.

On that note though . . .

If historical focus is on, the AI has a list of focuses it works down. If historical focus is off, the AI evaluates each focus, and a lot of them do have modifiers about whether or not the Ai will pick them if certain things happen. The AI is a lot less likely to pick supporting the policy of appeasement if the UK isn't democratic, for example.

Does that also work in reverse though? If South Africa goes Communist will they then go down the Communist branch of the tree? What if they have bad relations with the Soviet Union, does that then lead to them going on their own independent crusade or visa versa? What about if their ideology changes, will they be forced back to the beginning of the tree? If another country causes them to change ideology will that mean that they'll have better relations with that nation?

Also, finally, will certain foci that result in ideology changes in current trees be more flexible? (Two examples I've run into recently are changing the ideology of Sinking and Mongolia from Communist to Democratic in peace treaties only to have them revert back to Communist within their year because of their previously taken Internationalism foci, and a Democratic Russian Federation causing Communism to spring up all over the place with their foci.)

 

[Archangel85]

On that note though . . .

Does that also work in reverse though? If South Africa goes Communist will they then go down the Communist branch of the tree? What if they have bad relations with the Soviet Union, does that then lead to them going on their own independent crusade or visa versa? What about if their ideology changes, will they be forced back to the beginning of the tree? If another country causes them to change ideology will that mean that they'll have better relations with that nation?

It is more the other way around - South Africa goes communist if they go down the communist side of the tree (although it is certainly worthwhile to consider tinkering a bit more with the AI weights to account for outside interference through boosting party popularity). The relations with Soviet Union thing is an interesting idea. We've been wanting to make relations between countries more relevant, but there are a few issues with that - mostly the fact that it forces people to dive into the files to find the exact breakpoint at which the AI becomes more likely to do a thing for them. We call that "database-driven strategy", and it is something we have tried to avoid.

Programming AI weights to provide an optimal choice for every possible situation is a task that can consume a nearly endless amount of time. For now we are mostly focused on making sure the AI is not quite as eager to ally itself to a Germany that is currently occupied by Soviet troops.

 

[Zog I King of Albania]

Awesome! I'm looking forward to this! By the way, I've read approximately half of King Zog's biography, and there is sooo much Albanian history during this period.. There is a lot of potential for Albania. Only a suggestion, though.