HOI4 Dev Diary - Scout Planes and breaking the Enigma - and Stream premieres today at 16:00CET!

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If we send 10000 scout planes to Sweden now, how soon will we know the release date? :p
 

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Lets forget for a moment that we know that in HOI a world war is going down.
But if in real life everyone took that aproach we wouldn't have had the cold war, it woudl've gone realy hot realy fast, get what i'm trying to poke at?

ps. my original reply was kind-of ment as a joke, but i feel i do have some form of a point though
I agree with your point. But there cannot be actions without consequences. We have WT and WS, due to aggressive actions of belligerent nations. Sending recon planes deep into enemy territory during peacetime is not a belligerent act? Yes, it should heat things up quickly...and hopefully a human or the AI wouldn't do it until war is pretty much imminent.

I'd just love to see the SOV start the war first, because GER has been sending scout planes into SOV territory, for 2 years straight.
 

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I would like to see a new thread in Reddit of your team talking with the community.

Btw streams were really missed :)
 

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16) How will intel be used with puppets? Are you telling me that New Zealand has to have its own ciphers which are completely independent of its mother country?? Germany has to crack UK, Canadian, New Zealand, Australian, South African, Burmese, Malayan ciphers, just to get a readout on the Commonwealth??
 

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I agree with your point. But there cannot be actions without consequences. We have WT and WS, due to aggressive actions of belligerent nations. Sending recon planes deep into enemy territory during peacetime is not a belligerent act? Yes, it should heat things up quickly...and hopefully a human or the AI wouldn't do it until war is pretty much imminent.

I'd just love to see the SOV start the war first, because GER has been sending scout planes into SOV territory, for 2 years straight.
If not shooting it down SOMETHING must be done. No sovereign nation would allow this. Why else would you send a spy plane? Any reasonable person would figure it out.
You would need diplomatic event popups or something that rapidly puts your country on a war stance.
 

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If not shooting it down SOMETHING must be done. No sovereign nation would allow this. Why else would you send a spy plane? Any reasonable person would figure it out.
You would need diplomatic event popups or something that rapidly puts your country on a war stance.
Yeah, that's what the War Support Mechanic is all about. Do it too much, and you can even be DOWed by a democratic nation. Do it too much against a Fascist country, and they might get a free annex war goal on you.
 

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Germany did it both to poland and ussr before attacks
they key word in your reply was "BEFORE", or put more precisly "just before". You can't accept that this is OK for months and years before war without any consequences?
 

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17) Radio Intercept Group helps decryption and Goverment CIIIIIpher School only helps encryption?? How do these factor in exactly?
 

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If not shooting it down SOMETHING must be done. No sovereign nation would allow this. Why else would you send a spy plane? Any reasonable person would figure it out.
You would need diplomatic event popups or something that rapidly puts your country on a war stance.
Well, the Soviet Union and the USA didn't go into war during the 60s, so I guess if we are going to draw from Real Life(tm) equivalents, not all spy planes should cause a CB for the spied country on the spying one. Perhaps stuff like WT increasing or WS decreasing on the spying country or WS increasing on the spied one and that's it.
 

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If we send 10000 scout planes to Sweden now, how soon will we know the release date? :p
PDX have increased encryption - They haven't told Daniel...;)
 

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they key word in your reply was "BEFORE", or put more precisly "just before". You can't accept that this is OK for months and years before war without any consequences?
Exactly. This is why I suggested that it should only be done while justifying (of doing a focus) as a prelude to attack.

You should not be able to do this at peace. Only "before attack."
 

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Germany did it both to poland and ussr before attacks
Australian Sidney Cotton conducted spy flights (on behalf France and Britain), disguised as business trips, over Germany prior to the invasion of Poland.
 

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good or evil
Thats the question isnt it ;D

I would like to see a new thread in Reddit of your team talking with the community.
we'll probably do one before release. Its always fun!

they key word in your reply was "BEFORE", or put more precisly "just before". You can't accept that this is OK for months and years before war without any consequences?
I dont have my research books on it at the office. I will dig up some numbers for you. From my memory Germany did it for like a year over poland. Specially built scout planes can go at very high altitudes where you cant easily identify (especially as you'd paint them to look civilian) or intercept things and at the time period it wasnt enough of a threat to cause major diplomatic incidents.

Can you proactively change your own codes?
No, it would be too exploitable and no sane nation would do that.
 

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Poland + Code Cracking = Enigma is readable like "Gazeta Polska"
Don't forget about Polish-Japan cripter cooperation