HOI4 Dev Diary - India - Struggle for Independence

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Wow, India looks like it'll be a lot of fun to play with. I'm still trying to figure out which Commonwealth country I'm going to play with first. They all sound like a lot of fun.
 

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Wow, India looks like it'll be a lot of fun to play with. I'm still trying to figure out which Commonwealth country I'm going to play with first. They all sound like a lot of fun.
Why of course South Africa! De-colonize Africa! Or- er- split Asia up with Japan for your own glory! Wait no- with support from Russia become a true power as you fight for freedom as India! Huh. Ooh, maybe let Europe defend them selves against the nazi threat while you instead assist America in creating a true sphere of influence in the Americas!
 

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Why of course South Africa! De-colonize Africa! Or- er- split Asia up with Japan for your own glory! Wait no- with support from Russia become a true power as you fight for freedom as India! Huh. Ooh, maybe let Europe defend them selves against the nazi threat while you instead assist America in creating a true sphere of influence in the Americas!
South Africa does seem like it will be a lot of fun, but I'm also quite excited to check out Australia and India. I've already played Canada, so they're a lesser priority (though their NFs look really interesting).
 

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Could you guys fix the disband a faction button. Also could you change that if the fascist or communists major powers change ideology that they will have the generic focus tree or at least be blocked from doing any decisions that will cause them to attack other nations.
 

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Thanks, this is the type of answer I was looking for. When you say Indian independence was brought up between Roosevelt and Churchill in what context? Concerned about Indian independence? Roosevelt pushing for it?
I heard this when I was listing to an audiobook (https://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=348337&query_desc=kw,wrdl: Roosevelt and churchill) Churchill and Roosevelt would discuss Indian independence with Roosevelt being pro independence, but Churchill was said to be very 'touchy' about the subject. I would imagine it was touchy because India was literally called the Jewel to the crown because resources of India (British Raj) and the amount of 'volunteer' forces were so great for the British Empire.
 

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but Churchill was said to be very 'touchy' about the subject
I think touchy is lowballing it quite a bit ;) I think the historically most accurate wording for Churchills view on indians and indian independence was "a massive douchebag" ;)
 
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From the OP - " . . . and jungle training etc."

This rings a bell - the Australian tree - jungle divisions. Configured as motorised divisions in the ME, returning AIF divisions sent to PNG were re-equipped and retrained as 'jungle divisions' - "Divisions converted to the jungle organisation included three Militia divisions: the 3rd, 5th and 11th and the three Australian Imperial Force (AIF) divisions: the 6th, 7th, 9th. Despite some modifications, this re-organisation proved successful during later Australian operations in New Guinea, New Britain, Bougainville, Aitape-Wewak and Borneo in 1944–45."

I searched the 'Ally Down Under' thread for 'jungle' with no hits. Has there been a discussion about Australian divisions refitting as jungle divisions?? How is this handled??
 
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In the context of "historical" MP games, is there any concern that all this shiny political stuff weakens the Allies a bit too much?

The British branch of the Indian focus tree also seem to lack one tech slot.
 
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One thing that I really hope Paradox could improve is to add more portraits for Italian general. Even though this expansion is focused on the Commonwealth I would probably keep playing Italy but I can't stand more for all of the duplicated portraits!
 
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Kudos to the Devs, this should make the Raj an interesting play.
 

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I think touchy is lowballing it quite a bit ;) I think the historically most accurate wording for Churchills view on indians and indian independence was "a massive douchebag" ;)
No he was honest and sincere in his defense of the Noble Institutions of Empire. he also had a very deep and fascinating discourse with Ghandi, and possibly had the events of 1945 and 1948 followed a different path, India would have remained an Empire of the British Crown.

Ps seriously look up the Churchill Ghandi correspondence, they clearly had a kind of antagonistic mutual respect... an almost beloved enemy thing going.
 
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No he was honest and sincere in his defense of the Noble Institutions of Empire. he also had a very deep and fascinating discourse with Ghandi, and possibly had the events of 1945 and 1948 followed a different path, India would have remained an Empire of the British Crown.

Ps seriously look up the Churchill Ghandi correspondence, they clearly had a kind of antagonistic mutual respect... an almost beloved enemy thing going.
The Empire in India was not a noble institution.
 
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The Empire in India was not a noble institution.
I was in part being sarcastic... ultimately if history is to be judged by the actors, Churchill sincerely concieved of Empire as noble. that's what needs to be assessed else you end in relativist hermaneutic circle aka Derrida.
 
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In the context of "historical" MP games, is there any concern that all this shiny political stuff weakens the Allies a bit too much?

The British branch of the Indian focus tree also seem to lack one tech slot.
I think the plan is to make up for that with tech sharing.

That's assuming that German Technology or Research City Excursions actually give an extra research slot, I think these will actually enable tech sharing with Germany/Soviet Union respectively.
 

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*drools* love the changes to manpower, tech spread and political evolution shown here. Much here that can be applied to other British colonial regimes (and the colonies of other Western powers as well)

more notes taken for use when the decision to develop Victoria III comes around hopefully before the end of the decade.
 
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I don't know if someone has already brought this up, but how will this affect India if I'm playing as Japan? I think it should be possible to exploit a rebellion against British rule to gain India as an ally.
 
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I think we will need to see how much manpower your subject nations have available for recruitment on the fly. Nothing would be worse than over recruiting from a subject nation and not being able to reinforce the divisions because the information is just not available. Now you can say you hit the limit when you can no longer recruit men but that's too late. And no recruiting from India wont matter but recruiting from Canada would quickly cause problems.

It could be useful when you scroll over the manpower icon that it shows you the available manpower for yourself and all subject nations.