HOI4 Dev Diary - India - Struggle for Independence

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Hi everyone, after just getting back from enjoying our weekly Wednesday Indian food at a local place, what better topic to cover than India!

India is a colony under British rule, that means that, unlike the dominions we have presented so far, they have more restrictions and limitations placed on them. These are things that you will want to shake off as a player - for example, unless you gain Dominion status you will not fully benefit from technology sharing.

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After Provincial elections are done India is faced with two paths towards freedom (Historically both occurred simultaneously to a degree, but player must decide which one they want to play). On one hand they can continue to cooperate with the British and earn their freedom or status as dominion through service and the autonomy system (see last week’s diary). India at this time is a nation split between the Quit India movement & Gandhi calling for freedom, various Princely states supporting the British as they fear losing their power, and a large Muslim community that can sway to support independence and the creation of Pakistan. If you check the rightmost part of the tree there are also British investors getting fat off of India which may gain you some short term benefits in military and civilian investments, but which will also set back your struggle for independence.

On the other side the player can decide to go the non-cooperative path “Swaraj”, or self governing. This in effect puts you in the shoes of Subhas Chandra Bose trying to rally support for Indian independence from other factions. You can both ask Comintern and Axis here for backing. It is also possible to proceed without backing, but it is very difficult. With backing (or not) you can then launch a civil war and fight for your independence and continue to build up your nation free from the clutches of the British imperialists. Note that there is no classic "fascist or communist" path here, the support you get will dictate the direction for your nation. Bose was in my opinion much more interested in practical things and achieving freedom rather than promoting ideology and would have gone with any side that supported him (he asked Soviets first historically, but was told 'no'). It doesn't mean that you can't peacefully go communist etc, but it would be done using regular mechanics.

Military wise India is famous for having the largest volunteer army in history at the end of WWII. To model this you are limited to a strict volunteer army until you gain higher autonomy levels. But several focuses give you forces from Gurkhas, Sikhs etc. India gets several choices for making its army more distinctly Indian: setting up local officer training of Indians, mountain artillery and jungle training etc.

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India also starts with the national spirit “risk of famine”. This is a serious internal issue that will be up to the player to solve. Famines have long been issues in the area, but war, corruption and the like will stress things to a breaking point. If you gain enough autonomy to gain control over local government, root out corruption and improve railways and infrastructure, you will be able to prevent the famine entirely, but it will put you into a bit of a race once you get dragged into World War II.

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Subject Forces
As I hinted at last week the new autonomy system allows you to recruit forces from your subjects. This is done through the normal training & deployment interface where you can pick one of your subject’s division templates which gets copied over to you and is now marked as a subject template. These templates are a mix of yours and their manpower. For a colony its 30% of masters manpower and 70% of subjects. Actual equipment to arm them is supplied by the master. Other autonomy levels, like puppets, generally have lower requirements. These forces can only deploy in their home nation and must then be transported to other theaters. Using these forces also increases the subject's autonomy in the same way as expeditionary forces will, so its something the master needs to consider.
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We are going on a short company trip to Malta tomorrow, so there might be some delays to posting that day. Just a heads up :) Next week we will be taking a look at New Zealand and some other stuff!

Remember to tune in for today’s World War Wednesday Livestream and find out if who of the Allies and Axis will be able to tip the balance in the war in Europe! Watch it live @16:00CET over at https://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive!
 
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I like the idea of having to stave off a famine, but I wish the DD went into some detail of what the actual effects are if you fail. Do you lose manpower and perhaps factories?
There are really heavy penalties to industry, conscription and national unity

If India becomes a dominion, will there be an event to give them an india leader instead of Linlithgow?
yes

Will there be any representation of the Princely States or the post-independence conflicts they triggered, like Operation Polo and the Kashmir crisis?
We dont represent them post-independence. It would be nice, but we focus on the WW2 stuff first.

@podcat Historically, high ranking officers from India were from british ascendance, and it was the same after war, but gradually native hindus became leaders of the indian army. In the game, a country can only fit in one category in the 00_names file, making India stuck with english name for their generals/admirals even if it became independant. Is there any change in this ?
Ooh wait could India and the Raj be seperate tags, thus allowing a) different name lists b) neutral independent india and c) different cores.

we are actually adding neato stuff where you can change the names/flags/name lists etc of nations through command. I think modders will love it. we'll have details on it in a later diary
 
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Thanks, this is the type of answer I was looking for. When you say Indian independence was brought up between Roosevelt and Churchill in what context? Concerned about Indian independence? Roosevelt pushing for it?

if I recall the americans pushed quite heavily for it.

This sounds like a really cool system. My question would be, is the system only being implemented for the British empire and commonwealth, or will it also be implemented for say: France/Tunisia, USA/Philippines or Italy/Eritrea and Somalia.

it applies for other nations too

One question, would the A.I (UK) actually use the subject forces function?
it doesnt really need to because it doesnt matter that much if the forces is controlled by it or an ai friend with the same rough priorities and abilities.
 
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but Churchill was said to be very 'touchy' about the subject
I think touchy is lowballing it quite a bit ;) I think the historically most accurate wording for Churchills view on indians and indian independence was "a massive douchebag" ;)
 
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thank God that you made a real improvment
I have three questions:
1- will be this dlc for other master nations like Netherlands or Belgium?
2- what's that crown sign near division designer label?
3- why german national focuses are less than even india?( and all other allied powers)
1. The autonomy system applies to all nations yea
2. Answered above, subject forces
3. They are older and we got better at making them is the short of it. We will probably expand base game trees at some point too
 
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