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I worry that this tree makes Greece far more powerful than they were historically compared to the majors.
 
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The International Financial Commission was basically an organisation (chaired only by the United Kingdom, France, and Italy by 1936) that exerted a considerable amount of influence over Greek fiscal policy, even after the Second Hellenic Republic repudiated its debts and financial obligations. The I.F.C.'s presence and role in the game is inflated as a catch-all concept that represents all of Greece's international monetary obligations (the Schachtplan excused, of course).

If you're interested where I did my own research, I based much of my research and design off Professor Michael Wailbel's paper Echoes of History: The International Financial Commission in Greece. It wasn't my only source, but it was the most prolific in its contributions to my designs.
Thank you for the information. So it was the International Finance Control all along, then.
 
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Having freelance content designers is interesting - I hope we can see more of these country packs in the future.

If Italy isn't coming with this expansion, I'm guessing the main countries will be

Greece (confirmed)
Bulgaria
Turkey
maybe Albania
 
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I've worked on Greece in quite a few mods, and was quite surprised when this tree was teased, so ive put together a list of suggestions that could improve your guys' take in Greece

The election and the democratic path.
1: Something to note is the reason the liberals failed to gain a majority in the 1936 election is due to them absolutely refusing to cooperate with other parties, like the democratic monarchist laikon komma(people's party) which had the second biggest turnout in the election. The king had absolutely no part in the election. Additionally i recommend having themistoklis sofoulis as leader of the democratic coalition path.
2: Assuming the democratic path is centered around the liberals compromising with the democratic monarchists and forming a government, it should include more realistic focuses instead of simple focuses about ancient and byzantine Greece, which by 1936 had absolutely no influence in modern Greek life and culture
3: While the megali idea is absolutely dead by 1936, i totally understand adding it to the tree, however the foreign focuses should include more interaction with britain and france, aswell as the balkan powers, additionally a think it would be fun to have a path to extend the Greco-Turkish alliance established before 1936, effectively militarizing it.
4: Ideas for new democratic focuses: Undermine The King, Sideline Metaxas, No More Coups/Depoliticise The Military, Recall Republican Generals (Konstantinos Manetas, Stefanos Sarafis, Alexandros Othonaios), Institute Universal Suffrage (was introduced post war), Reconcile with extreme republicans (unlock nikolaos plastiras and other radical republicans as advisors), Re-institute Venizelist Economics and Constitutional Revision, Institute The Sklavainas reforms (a set of reforms proposed by the communist MP stelios sklavainas, which included unbanning communist organizations, lowering the cost of bread and other pro-peasant acts)

The Monarchist Paths
1: The initial choice for the monarchist tree i recommend being "Appoint a puppet prime minister" and "Appoint Ioannis Metaxas" these focuses would progress into the royalist and metaxist paths respectively
2: i recommend including a focus about forming organization X in the royalist path, which would make georgios grivas a general, who was famously an extremist monarchist who formed his own resistance organization during the german occupation, additionally the metaxist path should include the labour reforms passed by metaxas, although those could be included in the actual economic path
3: In 1936 the EEE was effectively dead, i recommend replacing it with the Elliniko Ethniko-Socialistiko Komma (EESK, Greek national socialist party) led by georgios merkouris, who was a collaborator and a monarchist.

The Communist path
1: in reality i find the communist path to be okay, but it would be nice to include a choice between state atheism and religious socialism, the KKE at the time never had a policy on religion, as some priests even fought for them during the civil war.

The Army (in general)
1: In 1936 the army went through a lot of reforms, organized by general Alexandros Papagos, additionally updating service uniforms for officers
2: This may have been already added, but in 1936 there were a lot of destroyers employed by the greek navy that arent ingame right now, like the thyella destroyer
3: for generals i recommend including most of the lt. generals that took part in ww2, for example Georgios Tsolakoglou, Haralambos Katsimitros, Georgios Kosmas, Ioannis Pitsikas, Ioannis Kotoulas, and obviously field marshal alexandros papagos.


I'd be glad to help further with Greece further if you guys need it

Edit: i forgot to post a list of new starting parties, so here it is
Democratic: Kivernisi Demertzi (Demertzi's Administration), should be changed to Komma Fileleftheron if the libs take over
Fascist: Elliniko Ethniko Socialistiko Komma
Communist Kommounistiko Komma Ellados
Neutral: Komma Eleftherofronon (metaxas' own party) should be changed to Laikon komma if the king takes properly over
 
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Please tell me Bulgaria gets a focus tree, Please tell me Bulgaria gets a focus tree, PLEASE TELL ME BULGARIA GETS A FOCUS TREE.
 
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Will be there Greek voiceover and unique unit models?

Yes, my apologies! There were so many snafus with the confounded diary that the models didn't make it in. Here's a preview, at least! BTW, there is VO for every country in the pack! :)
GREEK 3D MODELS.png
 
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i can't wait for how annoying the retards who play greece and just sit on mountain tiles behind a river in mp are going to be now bruh
Exactly, I'm really worried about the power creep of minors due to country packs like this.
 
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i can't wait for how annoying the retards who play greece and just sit on mountain tiles behind a river in mp are going to be now bruh
not to hate on the update its good for singleplayer but in mp its going to be a pain
 
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1. Great that you like it. It does feel like its the best way forward to get more content out imo
2. No comment :O
3. Country packs as we wrote are for minors. Bigger expansions are for revamps etc. At least thats our plan right now.
As long as your plan is set in stone.

@Buzz!, you're the man! Salam from your archipelagic neighbour up above.
 
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not to hate on the update its good for singleplayer but in mp its going to be a pain
Similar to the Netherlands, some minor nations are getting too powerful from their focus trees if used by players. Please nerf that decision Greece gets for 5% attack and 15% defense to 5% defense only!

EDIT: I see I'm getting quite a few "disagree"s. To those people I ask: Have you seen how current Germany and Italy fail against Greece leading to the war being over by '42? This only serves to make them even more powerful.
 
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Toe the line not tow the line @Buzz! .
 
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Is it me, or does Bulgaria had it's states modified? Is this a sign of something or should I have a pitchfork and torch standing by?
Yes Bulgraian stataes seems to be changed, and Albania seems to have gotten a new state too.
 
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Is it me, or does Bulgaria had it's states modified? Is this a sign of something or should I have a pitchfork and torch standing by?
Albania has a new state for northern Epirus that will certainly be claimed by Greece.

Edit: Bulgaria AND Yugoslavia have new states too.
 
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