HOI4 Dev Diary - Equipment Conversion & War Update
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They talked about planes being converted to more recent variants of the same plane. Nothing about planes being converted to other types of planes.
The planes to tank comment seemed to be about modding support.
@podcat - can we convert infantry equipment? It wasn't mentioned in your DD list but it's the other obvious item to convert.
That's what I'm actually interested in. Planes converting into more recent variants is just auto-update that's already implemented, much to my annoyance (the auto part).
- Add "do not upgrade" button for air units. (Seriously, it feels like we're talking to a wall over here. Not even an acknowledgment. Tsk tsk tsk...
...I mean how hard can it be?)
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Well, I would say it a little bit different, but I agree in the point that I often want to station older models of planes in secondary areas, but even if I set them to low priority, they will be replaced by newer types of planes if I have enough. This should be possible to switch off
That last bit was a reference to Top Gear (the proper one). I was giggling in my head while writing it for some reason and hoped that someone may get it.
Anyway, at least Cpack agrees with me -YAAAYYY!!!
I think I read about that too, but when someone asked me for a source I wasn't able to find one. Do you remember where this was said/written?
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But that doesn't happen?
Deployed air wings get automatically upgraded to the latest equipment (Which is annoying because that means those 12 Interwar Fighter you took from Estonia never dissappear from your stockpile) and you can't change that but that has nothing to do with what the Dev Diary is about.
The Dev Diary is about production and there is no 'auto upgrade' functionality. There is auto obsolence but you can reverse that with a checkmark.
But what about refitting hulls, like Kongou-class battlecruisers?
Also, another question I have is can infantry equipment be refitted?
From a modding perspective, Podcat was confirming it was cross-archetype, so from what I understand of the way the modding side of things is set up, it should be possible to convert planes to different types of planes (which I agree is a good thing to do
). Hopefully, as long as there's a "can_convert_from" and an "is_convertable = yes" we should be able to mess around with pretty much from and to anything, as long as it's equipment that's held in inventory.Anyway, at least Cpack agrees with me -YAAAYYY!!!
I agrees with ya too, and I'm sure I'm not the only one
. Air war DD next week, so if we're lucky we may hear something then .The rebuilds, like the Kongos, the Queen Elizabeths, the Cavours and the like often took about as long as building a BB from scratch. While I think it'd be great if there was a mechanic for it to be in the game, it would have to be a different mechanic that took the ship out of circulation for a couple of years or so - which is very different to fitting new radar, ASW or AA, which was often done when ships were in port for normal maintenance. Having things like armour, propulsion and main armament replaced in this kind of process wouldn't be very historically plausible, and would result in gameplay balancing oddness as well. Just my opinion of course, nothing wrong with having a different one.
But after the USS West Virginia was bombed in pearl harbour, she was extensively refitted (more or less forced) with secondary guns. Also, I think that ships should only be able to be refitted in this way in drydocks which are places on the map, not just any port can refit a battleship. A famous picture of the French battleship Richelieu sailing into New York Harbour to be fitted with new barrels and radar comes to mind. The targeted destruction of dockyards, and not just ports should be as, if not more, important in strategic naval warfare.
I mean if I have a bunch of infantry I equipment, can I upgrade them into infantry II equipment, etc.
West Virginia's 'refit' took over two years, so I'd argue it'd be easier to fit that into a rebuilding mechanic (it was, in many ways, a rebuilding exercise). Changing the secondary gun armament was definitely a feature of many rebuilds. Some kind of dockyard mechanic (probably best based on NIC location) would be a nice touch, and having a rebuild mechanic that worked with this would also go well from my perspective, but whether it's something that fits with the dev's vision or not is the question.
In terms of Richelieu, wasn't that more like a (long delayed) repair job with the barrels (which takes a decent amount of time in-game), and the radar could fall under an equipment upgrade mechanic like the one under discussion?
Yeah, and I point I just thought of, is that the Richelieu had her secondary batteries completely changed to American ones, so she can use shells which the Brooklyn Class Light Cruisers used. An important point here is that running a naval fleet is very costly, you need the adequate support and supply on land in order to run these ships. This brings us back to the lack of 'supply' and 'upkeep', as a ship that is sunk during it's first sortie costs the same to 'build' as a ship that is in active duty for the full length of the game.
Furthermore, the issue with French ships extends to France in general. History is a very messy thing, the French didn't all surrender, nor did they all fight on, some ships fought on the British side and some fought against them. To model this level of 'messiness' in game would be very difficult, but if they manage to do it I'll give Paradox extra extra cookie points.
I'm just asking how it's implemented in the expansion. Also, how about upgrading towed AA, AT, ART, R-ART, etc? And how about mechanized units, and motorized infantry? Lots of questions…
Edit: respectfully disagreed for asking a question…what?
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I'm gonna need a bit more clarification on that claim.
How do you keep an air unit from getting upgraded in current version of the game? What checkmark is this?
This all sounds good. Good for my mod that is.From a modding perspective, Podcat was confirming it was cross-archetype, so from what I understand of the way the modding side of things is set up, it should be possible to convert planes to different types of planes (which I agree is a good thing to do
I agrees with ya too, and I'm sure I'm not the only one
YAASSSS!!
I suspect you are talking about different things here. As you say, your active wings will always have the most modern planes. What this DD is about is using industry to upgrade older versions to newer ones. I guess bringing up plane deployment mechanics into this thread can be a little confusing.
I think the confusion stems from you thinking there's a difference between "upgrade older versions to newer ones" and "upgrade planes to most recent version".
What this DD is about is the ability to convert one model to another model, not to a newer version of the same model. The first is "conversion", what you guys are talking about is "upgrade", which for air units is automatic and mandatory.