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HOI4 Dev Diary - Beta Batch Update III

Hi everyone! We are still in quarantine at home working on the patch, so time for another update!
Its a meaty chunk of balance fixes, bugfixes and mod support. Also there are some special highlights after I recommend to read up on as we are looking for feedback there. So, without further ado...

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# Balance
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- operations will now higher cost as you execute same operation on same targets (default is 15%. rescue operation is still 0%. Some exceptions are 25%)
- neutral countries no longer allowed to create collaborations
- compliance is now halved (instead of factored by 75%) when a state controller is changed
- destroying the counter-revolution now prevents France from descending into another civil war against the fascists from low stability again
- Danzig and Memel are no longer required for forming Poland-Lithuania
- Memel is no longer required for forming the United Baltic States
- Political violence can no longer return to France if France has capitulated
- unprepared offensive modifier in SCW now also affect CAS impacts
- Decrease Base manpower lost in resistance attack to 1.5% from 2.5%
- Along with Niceto Alcalá-Zamora as a leader, the Republicans will now, after the 1936 elections, receive a National Spirit reducing their political power income. Along with Zamora's trait and various tweaks and adjustments made to the political power gained through events and Republican focuses, this should make the flow of Garrison Control fighting before the SCW much more natural. Now, Nationalists get an initial advantage and a 'head start', but if the Republicans correctly focus on delaying the civil war initially, they will be rewarded and eventually be able to take more states back from the Nationalists than if they focus on taking states from the very start. Delaying the civil war should therefore be more enticing as a strategy.
- Increased tech stealing bonuses to 300% from 200%
- Increased tech stealing extra bonus outcomes to also give either 1 or 2 year ahead of time bonuses also
- Tech stealing can now unlock techs, uses weights on tech picking to prefer more up to date and equipment for a more rewarding bonus


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# Stability & Performance
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- Fixed CTD on Windows related to flag atlas texture update
- Fix performance issue when creating dynamic tags from targeted decisions.


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# UI
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- French Focuses bypassed by not having an inefficient economy now correctly display that fact
- fixed is_on_continent trigger tooltip being reversed
- Fix units when retreating towards a tile while in multiple combats has a wrong arrow visually
- Clear all province colors when switching to root out resistance map mode
- Unified achievements tooltips during game setup and in-game so that the in-game button shows the same details as game setup.
- Corrected achievement UI to be disabled when not logged in with necessary accounts, with explanation added to tooltip.
- fixed "Expand Influence in state" decisions increasing the influence over max and causing ui to show wrong decision icons
- Fixed Communal Autarky focus showing an effect tooltip twice.


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# AI
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- fixed ai not taking zero cost decisions if it has negative pp
- ai will be more reluctant to create collaborations if it already has some
- GER now will try to put more armor to low countries instead of france border
- Ai now able to send volunteer airwings again (optimization broke it in 1.8.1)


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# Modding
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- scripted effects with names that start with "d_" (example d_test_effect) now will be available as a console command) example usages are in zzz_debug_effects.txt
- added mtth database that allows mean_time_to_happen/ai_will_do structure as if they were variables
- added script profile scopes for ideas
- fixed country_resource_cost modifiers for real
- Fixed occurences of limit in an else effect not being reported as an error
- added dirty = var_name for scripted windows. if this variable name is set, the game will check if the value of that variable is changed before updating scripted windows to see if it needs to update the gui. by default guis are updated every hour/with every command. now if a change has been made that would affect the scripted gui, you can just change/increase a variable to force an update and improve performance
- Errors that cause the invalid map data error are now preffixed with MAP_ERROR
- release release_puppet release_autonomy effects no longer changes the controller if the state is controlled by a non-ally country.
- you can specify a list of effects under spawn_civil_war effect now, which will be executed under new civil war country
- added release_on_controlled release_puppet_on_controlled effects that also works if on your controlled states


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# Database
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- fixed a missing Czech airwing name
- Spanish focus "Demand French North Africa" now also gives Algerian Desert.
- Portugal will not be able to complete "Intervention in Spain" or "Nationalist Intervention" if it is in a faction with Spain.
- Free French coup in territory operations should now only be available against the country actually occupying that territory
- Spanish POUM will no longer share the same game rules as Anarchist Spain. They will be able to join factions, boost ideology and puppet nations.
- fixed a number of edge cases in the Munich conference logic (and probably introduced a number of new edge cases, happy hunting!)
- Tito should no longer be able to serve as chief of army if he is dead
- Added Niceto Niceto Alcalá-Zamora as the initial leader of Spain in 1936, along with an event to replace him with Manuel Azaña in April 1936.


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# Bugfix
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- Fix targeted legitimacy daily decision not giving 0.05 legitimacy
- fixed propaganda against warmonger decision not having lower cost against neighbors
- Fix Missing localization tag for synthetic refineries when hovering over state resources
- Fix steal naval blueprint removing civilian instead of a navy infiltration token
- invalid operations (target is now ally etc) are now cancelled even if they are prepared
- France should now only be able to invite a country once into the non-intervention committee
- fixed two incorrect tags in a French focus
- fixed an issue preventing Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck from being recruited
- Wilno will now become a core when forming the United Baltic States or Poland Lithuania
- Nationalist Spain will no longer be offered to move their capital to Madrid if their capital is already Madrid
- Carlist Spain should now have access to a naval advisor
- Solved issue with the end of SCW news event having multiple event options
- fixed missing text in the Italian focus Develop the Benghasi Oil Fields
- Mexico should no longer be able to send shipments to Spain if the war is over
- Tooltip for Alan Turing should now make more sense
- it is no longer possible to run an operation to capture cyphers if the target country is already fully decrypted
- fixed not properly creating collaborations in some cases involving states that are controlled but not owned
- Fixed an exploit that allows you to control another country that was being controlled Back in the previous Game
- fixed missing icon and description for a hidden tech
- fixed activate_targeted_decision & remove_targeted_decision not working properly for some cases of state targeted decisions
- Dynamic tag equipment and tech names fallback to original/base country tag
- Fixed scope so that Navarra, if owned by the Carlists, will become their capital during Fascist Crackdown and Carlist Uprising events.
- Fix saving and reloading remove research bonus already applied to a research.
- fixed a rare case where a recently freed collaboration government could peacefully annex the original country if both existed at the same time
- fixed a case where countries not joining peace conferences when there are multiple different wars the enemy is in
- fixed a rare case where Italy would not correctly join the Allies if France was already part of the Allies and Italy agreed to join the Stresa Front
- Fixed the Paradox account initialization to detect the active session passed to the game from the launcher.
- fixed Reichskommissariat Ukraine not properly puppeting Ukraina
- Fixed an issue with tech stealing operation where players with MTG could be stealing old useless techs

If you want to see past changes and full changelog, check out the Beta Patch thread here as well as info on how to start playing on it.

Some highlights we wanted to make sure to highlight and where we are interested in feedback:

Peace conferences
We are now more inclusive in peace conferences to try and stop issues where you might be left out and someone steals territory from you. This means that you can actually get peace conferences with enemies on each side cutting up a 3rd side before getting back to their war. Peace conferences have a lot of edge cases so try to be observant for anything we might have broken with this behaviour change.

Tech Stealing Operation
We wanted to make this more attractive so have been beefing it up. You can now get full unlocks and the system is more weighted towards lategame techs (so you can try and nab that Tiger tank instead of a great war tank). Its still a random system (remember to pick the right operation targeting the branch of tech you want, they get unlocked by infiltration of that branch) but should be a lot more rewarding now so let us know how it feels now!

Collaboration puppets
We have made AI more reluctant to release a lot and fixed some performance issues here.

See you next week for more updates!
 
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podcat said:
- ai will be more reluctant to create collaborations if it already has some
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podcat said:
- neutral countries no longer allowed to create collaborations
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I appreciate the other changes, but this is no fix. It won't fix the problem, just make it smaller. Italy maybe won't release Somalia if it has already released Greece, and Japan won't release China if it has released the Mariana. But if Greece and the Mariana have been released, the problem is there, just smaller and less noticeable.

It also gives less options for non-aligned countries. Now non-aligned Portugal can't do the Macau achievement, I guess?
 
podcat said:
Hi everyone! We are still in quarantine at home working on the patch, so time for another update!
Its a meaty chunk of balance fixes, bugfixes and mod support. Also there are some special highlights after I recommend to read up on as we are looking for feedback there. So, without further ado...

##################################
# Balance
##################################
- operations will now higher cost as you execute same operation on same targets (default is 15%. rescue operation is still 0%. Some exceptions are 25%)
- neutral countries no longer allowed to create collaborations
- compliance is now halved (instead of factored by 75%) when a state controller is changed
- destroying the counter-revolution now prevents France from descending into another civil war against the fascists from low stability again
- Danzig and Memel are no longer required for forming Poland-Lithuania
- Memel is no longer required for forming the United Baltic States
- Political violence can no longer return to France if France has capitulated
- unprepared offensive modifier in SCW now also affect CAS impacts
- Decrease Base manpower lost in resistance attack to 1.5% from 2.5%
- Along with Niceto Alcalá-Zamora as a leader, the Republicans will now, after the 1936 elections, receive a National Spirit reducing their political power income. Along with Zamora's trait and various tweaks and adjustments made to the political power gained through events and Republican focuses, this should make the flow of Garrison Control fighting before the SCW much more natural. Now, Nationalists get an initial advantage and a 'head start', but if the Republicans correctly focus on delaying the civil war initially, they will be rewarded and eventually be able to take more states back from the Nationalists than if they focus on taking states from the very start. Delaying the civil war should therefore be more enticing as a strategy.
- Increased tech stealing bonuses to 300% from 200%
- Increased tech stealing extra bonus outcomes to also give either 1 or 2 year ahead of time bonuses also
- Tech stealing can now unlock techs, uses weights on tech picking to prefer more up to date and equipment for a more rewarding bonus


##################################
# Stability & Performance
##################################
- Fixed CTD on Windows related to flag atlas texture update
- Fix performance issue when creating dynamic tags from targeted decisions.


##################################
# UI
##################################
- French Focuses bypassed by not having an inefficient economy now correctly display that fact
- fixed is_on_continent trigger tooltip being reversed
- Fix units when retreating towards a tile while in multiple combats has a wrong arrow visually
- Clear all province colors when switching to root out resistance map mode
- Unified achievements tooltips during game setup and in-game so that the in-game button shows the same details as game setup.
- Corrected achievement UI to be disabled when not logged in with necessary accounts, with explanation added to tooltip.
- fixed "Expand Influence in state" decisions increasing the influence over max and causing ui to show wrong decision icons
- Fixed Communal Autarky focus showing an effect tooltip twice.


##################################
# AI
##################################
- fixed ai not taking zero cost decisions if it has negative pp
- ai will be more reluctant to create collaborations if it already has some
- GER now will try to put more armor to low countries instead of france border
- Ai now able to send volunteer airwings again (optimization broke it in 1.8.1)


##################################
# Modding
##################################
- scripted effects with names that start with "d_" (example d_test_effect) now will be available as a console command) example usages are in zzz_debug_effects.txt
- added mtth database that allows mean_time_to_happen/ai_will_do structure as if they were variables
- added script profile scopes for ideas
- fixed country_resource_cost modifiers for real
- Fixed occurences of limit in an else effect not being reported as an error
- added dirty = var_name for scripted windows. if this variable name is set, the game will check if the value of that variable is changed before updating scripted windows to see if it needs to update the gui. by default guis are updated every hour/with every command. now if a change has been made that would affect the scripted gui, you can just change/increase a variable to force an update and improve performance
- Errors that cause the invalid map data error are now preffixed with MAP_ERROR
- release release_puppet release_autonomy effects no longer changes the controller if the state is controlled by a non-ally country.
- you can specify a list of effects under spawn_civil_war effect now, which will be executed under new civil war country
- added release_on_controlled release_puppet_on_controlled effects that also works if on your controlled states


##################################
# Database
##################################
- fixed a missing Czech airwing name
- Spanish focus "Demand French North Africa" now also gives Algerian Desert.
- Portugal will not be able to complete "Intervention in Spain" or "Nationalist Intervention" if it is in a faction with Spain.
- Free French coup in territory operations should now only be available against the country actually occupying that territory
- Spanish POUM will no longer share the same game rules as Anarchist Spain. They will be able to join factions, boost ideology and puppet nations.
- fixed a number of edge cases in the Munich conference logic (and probably introduced a number of new edge cases, happy hunting!)
- Tito should no longer be able to serve as chief of army if he is dead
- Added Niceto Niceto Alcalá-Zamora as the initial leader of Spain in 1936, along with an event to replace him with Manuel Azaña in April 1936.


##################################
# Bugfix
##################################
- Fix targeted legitimacy daily decision not giving 0.05 legitimacy
- fixed propaganda against warmonger decision not having lower cost against neighbors
- Fix Missing localization tag for synthetic refineries when hovering over state resources
- Fix steal naval blueprint removing civilian instead of a navy infiltration token
- invalid operations (target is now ally etc) are now cancelled even if they are prepared
- France should now only be able to invite a country once into the non-intervention committee
- fixed two incorrect tags in a French focus
- fixed an issue preventing Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck from being recruited
- Wilno will now become a core when forming the United Baltic States or Poland Lithuania
- Nationalist Spain will no longer be offered to move their capital to Madrid if their capital is already Madrid
- Carlist Spain should now have access to a naval advisor
- Solved issue with the end of SCW news event having multiple event options
- fixed missing text in the Italian focus Develop the Benghasi Oil Fields
- Mexico should no longer be able to send shipments to Spain if the war is over
- Tooltip for Alan Turing should now make more sense
- it is no longer possible to run an operation to capture cyphers if the target country is already fully decrypted
- fixed not properly creating collaborations in some cases involving states that are controlled but not owned
- Fixed an exploit that allows you to control another country that was being controlled Back in the previous Game
- fixed missing icon and description for a hidden tech
- fixed activate_targeted_decision & remove_targeted_decision not working properly for some cases of state targeted decisions
- Dynamic tag equipment and tech names fallback to original/base country tag
- Fixed scope so that Navarra, if owned by the Carlists, will become their capital during Fascist Crackdown and Carlist Uprising events.
- Fix saving and reloading remove research bonus already applied to a research.
- fixed a rare case where a recently freed collaboration government could peacefully annex the original country if both existed at the same time
- fixed a case where countries not joining peace conferences when there are multiple different wars the enemy is in
- fixed a rare case where Italy would not correctly join the Allies if France was already part of the Allies and Italy agreed to join the Stresa Front
- Fixed the Paradox account initialization to detect the active session passed to the game from the launcher.
- fixed Reichskommissariat Ukraine not properly puppeting Ukraina
- Fixed an issue with tech stealing operation where players with MTG could be stealing old useless techs

If you want to see past changes and full changelog, check out the Beta Patch thread here as well as info on how to start playing on it.

Some highlights we wanted to make sure to highlight and where we are interested in feedback:

Peace conferences
We are now more inclusive in peace conferences to try and stop issues where you might be left out and someone steals territory from you. This means that you can actually get peace conferences with enemies on each side cutting up a 3rd side before getting back to their war. Peace conferences have a lot of edge cases so try to be observant for anything we might have broken with this behaviour change.

Tech Stealing Operation
We wanted to make this more attractive so have been beefing it up. You can now get full unlocks and the system is more weighted towards lategame techs (so you can try and nab that Tiger tank instead of a great war tank). Its still a random system (remember to pick the right operation targeting the branch of tech you want, they get unlocked by infiltration of that branch) but should be a lot more rewarding now so let us know how it feels now!

Collaboration puppets
We have made AI more reluctant to release a lot and fixed some performance issues here.

See you next week for more updates!
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I know this has little to do with the game, but just out of curiosity, are you guys able to completely work from home and still be about as productive as before? Oh, and thanks very much for taking care of the volunteer airwing bug, podcat.
 
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Good to see more patch work continuing on! A few points I had:

- Why remove the ability for neutral countries be able to form collab governments - this is one of the best features going on the DLC and should be made more openly available no? If not - could I make the suggestion that intergrated puppets adopt the ability of Collba governments to use the overlords title 'British - Malaya' or 'Belgian - Congo' extended to all nations and equally adopt the shared colour system to make the map painting beautiful.

- There is an issue where if you purge Nikiti Krushchev he will still be the leader of Ukraine despite basically being dead.

- If a Collab government has occupied territory of another nation the option to return that land doesnt create a menu and causes a half second pop up to appear and disappear.

- The African Advisors are very messed up right now - they al have two communist advisors instead of one and they all have the same advisors - including the 'Prince of Terror' which makes it harder to justify on all of them... as a QoL improvement I'd look into massively reducing the amount of countries with this advisors and even pushing to give them all a national spirit which reduces the time it takes to justify on them. Something like 'Fledging Nation'

- On decolonized America - Guyana seems to own most of the American islands instead of their most likely candidate - such as Guyana owning the falklands instead of Argentina. Doesnt seem right?

- Alphonse I has two paths to rule over France and Spain but neither focus tree allows you to gain cores on the other nation despite owning right to both - is this an oversight or intentional?

Anyways, thanks for the continued support on the update!
 
- neutral countries no longer allowed to create collaborations

Just working on a portuguese achievement run... Really disappointed about this...And don't see any reasons behind that.
 
Dear Devs, your ideas are good and should improve the game if they work out properly.

podcat said:
Peace conferences
We are now more inclusive in peace conferences to try and stop issues where you might be left out and someone steals territory from you. This means that you can actually get peace conferences with enemies on each side cutting up a 3rd side before getting back to their war. Peace conferences have a lot of edge cases so try to be observant for anything we might have broken with this behaviour change.
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Good!

podcat said:
Tech Stealing Operation
We wanted to make this more attractive so have been beefing it up. You can now get full unlocks and the system is more weighted towards lategame techs (so you can try and nab that Tiger tank instead of a great war tank). Its still a random system (remember to pick the right operation targeting the branch of tech you want, they get unlocked by infiltration of that branch) but should be a lot more rewarding now so let us know how it feels now!
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Looks promising. We'll see how it turns out in practice.

podcat said:
Collaboration puppets
We have made AI more reluctant to release a lot and fixed some performance issues here.
Click to expand...
What about human players spamming them in MP? There should be some restrictions to make collboration governemnt puppets, not just AI less willing to create them.

somewhat off-topic, but we have made a Guide for you on how to improve all the wrong and missing ships. (with a lot of additional input from the community in the discussion here.
Any chance you will implement these proposals in 1.9.1?
 
Should all puppets be a collaboration governments? They're just lacking legitimacy? Maybe similar to the progression of puppet status giving benefits each government that is a puppet will have a legitimacy mechanic.

There were many collaboration governments under the Reich as well as Japan during their conquests. They had some autonomy built in that allowed locals to police to locals. Releasing a puppet government should be using the same collaboration % that the conquering nation has on the given provinces. If Germany conquers Poland and establishes a puppet state using locals to manage day to day affairs.. should they really be stable? As in no more resistance even though they know they're under the yoke of the Germans.

Integrating a puppet state should be coring at this point for a particular nation as the resistance is now 0% and the local government is now fully aligned with their puppet master. I think a puppet rework is needed after this patch.
 
podcat said:
- fixed a number of edge cases in the Munich conference logic (and probably introduced a number of new edge cases, happy hunting!)
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This is super, thanks!

But i think Germany event "germany.42" should be reworked so that if France joins Britain in supporting the Czechs while France is in some faction other than the Allies, France should not leave that faction and join the Allies but rather stay in her faction and guarantee Czech (fascist France can remove the starting guarantee).

It is frustrating for a Soviet or Italy player to lose France from their faction because of Munich.

Check this thread for reference: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ntern-and-joins-allies.1353762/#post-26358095

Thanks for the good patching!
 
podcat said:
fixed country_resource_cost modifiers for real
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@shultays
Thanks for fixing it!

Sadly it is still not completely fixed : somehow the modifier does not work for the last resource item on the list (00_resources.txt). I've done many tests, whatever resource is put as last one, the modifier doesn't apply at all on it!
As workaround I added a "dummy" resource in my mod, but it is not ellegant and I hate when the error log tell me something is wrong ^^

Still minor issues on the modifiers :
- appears in green in the trade view (should be in red like resources needed by equipment production)
- still no localisation for the modifier (and for the state one)

But overall, this is a great addition. Will be awesome when fully operational ;)
 
@podcat

Since you guys added Niceto Alcalá-Zamora as the historical leader for the Republic before the presidency of Azaña, can you guys add in Juan Negrin as the leader for Spain if they choose to maintain the Republic and 'oppose fascism at all costs'? It would be really great to have this iconic, wartime leader of Republican Spain who really was the head of the Republic during the bulk of the civil war represented in game. This would also further distinguish it from the Stalinist path, since currently there is no difference in flag, party name, and leader between those two routes("oppose fascism at all costs" and "The Stalinist Doctrine").
 
Zer00 said:
Is taking the Imperial Federation focus as Britain and annexing the puppets supposed to give you cores or at least high compliance? Because as it is you get territory with 0 compliance that you have to garrison, which makes it sort of pointless imo.
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I know it’s supposed to give you cores in the White Dominions (even if South Africa is, you know, majority not-white), but you don’t get any on India. The lack of compliance is probably an oversight.
 
Zer00 said:
Is taking the Imperial Federation focus as Britain and annexing the puppets supposed to give you cores or at least high compliance? Because as it is you get territory with 0 compliance that you have to garrison, which makes it sort of pointless imo.
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You have to have the original tags as puppets; the ones from the support loyalist desitions dont work properly right now. Also you have to wait a few days in game for it to update.
 
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