Hoi4 bug

[Archerich]

I done. You see the result. Go from nova-scotia to North Africa italian.

Okay so now you need to wait for them to prepare, which should be 21 days unless you've taken the second landing tech. Also, you need fuel. Too many planes, tanks, or ships drains your fuel. You will also need minimum 50% naval superiority along the entire path, even if there are no enemy ships. I would just recommend moving your plans closer, so moving your troops to say Gibraltar and then making an invasion.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

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I done. You see the result. Go from nova-scotia to North Africa italian.

You still haven't assigned them

 

[Christiane]

You still haven't assigned them

I know. I follow the procedure given but when i click on the plan arrow nothings happend. I started a new game with france...

 

[Christiane]

THat's amazing. 6 well trained and heavily armed division loose against one division who don't have gun because they can't produce it and have no money to bought them.....Very Strange. And it's so long to beat 4 division even if i send 50 division...By the way what's means the number in the buble? and what's means the icon when we create an escadre?

 

[Mister Analyst]

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THat's amazing. 6 well trained and heavily armed division loose against one division who don't have gun because they can't produce it and have no money to bought them.....Very Strange. And it's so long to beat 4 division even if i send 50 division...By the way what's means the number in the buble? and what's means the icon when we create an escadre?

Your trucks and tanks and planes and ships ARE OUT OF FUEL! That is why they suck at combat!

EDIT: See Fuel in the HOI4 wiki.

• Zero fuel = 10% tank/motorized battalion combat stats penalty
• Zero fuel = 40% division movement penalty
• Zero fuel = 75% plane mission efficiency penalty
• Zero fuel = 75% ship speed penalty
• Zero fuel = 75% ship range penalty
• Zero fuel = 50% ship attack penalty

From your screenshot:

 

[Christiane]

Your trucks and tanks and planes and ships ARE OUT OF FUEL! That is why they suck at combat!

EDIT: See Fuel in the HOI4 wiki.

• Zero fuel = 10% tank/motorized battalion combat stats penalty
• Zero fuel = 40% division movement penalty
• Zero fuel = 75% plane mission efficiency penalty
• Zero fuel = 75% ship speed penalty
• Zero fuel = 75% ship range penalty
• Zero fuel = 50% ship attack penalty

From your screenshot:
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Ok...But France can't buy it in the game. Historicly the 1939 period for France was a moment of high strenght. The war with the commune of Paris Happend in 1871 not in 1936 or 1938. Also the prosperity was there. France was the first country to fix a labor day of 8 hours, a week of 40 hours and 15 days of "vacances" each year and since 1919. In the war UK and USA made cover operation to weak the France. Example: USA sell weapons to Japanese only if they use it against France in vietnam. I will do some research about the french petrol company. I know that now it have only three compagny who produce helium. One from UK, One from USA and one from France and they have monopol agrement just because it's strategic material who is produce. Anyway in this case the fuel is not relevant. Commune (without gun) have no truck or tank so army don't need it to put some other french in jail. Why they should kill their friends? It's not french way to live.

 

[Mister Analyst]

Ok...But France can't buy it in the game. Historicly the 1939 period for France was a moment of high strenght. The war with the commune of Paris Happend in 1871 not in 1936 or 1938. Also the prosperity was there. France was the first country to fix a labor day of 8 hours, a week of 40 hours and 15 days of "vacances" each year and since 1919. In the war UK and USA made cover operation to weak the France. Example: USA sell weapons to Japanese only if they use it against France in vietnam. I will do some research about the french petrol company. I know that now it have only three compagny who produce helium. One from UK, One from USA and one from France and they have monopol agrement just because it's strategic material who is produce. Anyway in this case the fuel is not relevant. Commune (without gun) have no truck or tank so army don't need it to put some other french in jail. Why they should kill their friends? It's not french way to live.

• You must be playing a mod. There is no helium in the game.
• You are correct, France cannot buy fuel in the game. In fact, no nation can buy fuel in the game. Nations are expected to build refineries to increase their production of fuel and to build fuel silos to increase the capacity to store that fuel.
• France starts 1939 with 87K fuel.
• France does not start the 1939 game with any refineries, but does have a daily base fuel output of 48. This output will take France more than 5 years to reach max capacity of 348K.
• France can build a 1939 refinery in as little as 77 days (80% infrastructure state required) which will boost the daily fuel output to 97 (increase of 57). That will reduce the time to reach max capacity to a bit more than 2.1 years.

In my opinion, you should not be training any ships, planes, tanks, or motorized. You should save all of your fuel for combat. Do train the land divisions that do not use fuel such as infantry.

As far as building refineries, I do not have any advice as I have not played France in a long time except for running tests. I ran a quick France test to confirm that the information stated above is correct. Perhaps other forum members will be willing to provide you with more guidance.

 

[Christiane]

• You must be playing a mod. There is no helium in the game.
• You are correct, France cannot buy fuel in the game. In fact, no nation can buy fuel in the game. Nations are expected to build refineries to increase their production of fuel and to build fuel silos to increase the capacity to store that fuel.
• France starts 1939 with 87K fuel.
• France does not start the 1939 game with any refineries, but does have a daily base fuel output of 48. This output will take France more than 5 years to reach max capacity of 348K.
• France can build a 1939 refinery in as little as 77 days (80% infrastructure state required) which will boost the daily fuel output to 97 (increase of 57). That will reduce the time to reach max capacity to a bit more than 2.1 years.

In my opinion, you should not be training any ships, planes, tanks, or motorized. You should save all of your fuel for combat. Do train the land divisions that do not use fuel such as infantry.

As far as building refineries, I do not have any advice as I have not played France in a long time except for running tests. I ran a quick France test to confirm that the information stated above is correct. Perhaps other forum members will be willing to provide you with more guidance.

Ok. After the world war 1 the specialist made an anlyse. They realise than petrol was a strategic ressources. They creates or give subsidiary to some company. Exxon, Chevron and in europa the british governement took a lot of part in British petroleum. In France in 1924 Total compagny was created. In Belgium you had pétrofina (for finance petrol) In Nethedrlannds you had Shell. All compagny was created by their government. A war between UK and France was turn off after an agrement who remove the tibetan petrol control to UK and force UK to give control to China. It's one reason Japan made war in China en 1931. The argument of France was China need to give us ressources for Pay renault tank. So in 1936 the control on all petrol of the planet was in the hand of USA, UK, France, Netherland and Belgium. What's the deepest raison of WW 2? The control of petrol and all economic power that give. Danemak, Germany, Japan, Italy was a little gamer in this game of control but they want more.

So understand than the position of France given by the game is very strange in 1936 and don't fit with historic reality. Now the three major petrol compagny are Chinese and Total is 9 after BP and Shell. Exxon is 5Th The first is Arabia saudi and 7 kuweit petroleum (they are at war or not?)

Play France can be a vedry good challenge if the game is realistic.

First remove Pierre Laval on government at beginning: This guy will be a puppet of Hitler under the governement of Vichy
Second give the real situation of France at this moment.
third give them the right army. They won in Narvik they loose in the ardennes but they loose 1 million man in the battle of France. They just had a bad commandement because they didn't belive in the blits krieg developped in Italy and put in application by Germany. But after they understood they never loose a battle.

Oh...Italian government didn't belive in blitzkrieg also. Until they see Rommel aplly it in North Africa ( 1 german sodier for 5 italian soldier. The difference? Rommel and his way to command)

 

[Archerich]

Ok. After the world war 1 the specialist made an anlyse. They realise than petrol was a strategic ressources. They creates or give subsidiary to some company. Exxon, Chevron and in europa the british governement took a lot of part in British petroleum. In France in 1924 Total compagny was created. In Belgium you had pétrofina (for finance petrol) In Nethedrlannds you had Shell. All compagny was created by their government. A war between UK and France was turn off after an agrement who remove the tibetan petrol control to UK and force UK to give control to China. It's one reason Japan made war in China en 1931. The argument of France was China need to give us ressources for Pay renault tank. So in 1936 the control on all petrol of the planet was in the hand of USA, UK, France, Netherland and Belgium. What's the deepest raison of WW 2? The control of petrol and all economic power that give. Danemak, Germany, Japan, Italy was a little gamer in this game of control but they want more.

So understand than the position of France given by the game is very strange in 1936 and don't fit with historic reality. Now the three major petrol compagny are Chinese and Total is 9 after BP and Shell. Exxon is 5Th The first is Arabia saudi and 7 kuweit petroleum (they are at war or not?)

Play France can be a vedry good challenge if the game is realistic.

First remove Pierre Laval on government at beginning: This guy will be a puppet of Hitler under the governement of Vichy
Second give the real situation of France at this moment.
third give them the right army. They won in Narvik they loose in the ardennes but they loose 1 million man in the battle of France. They just had a bad commandement because they didn't belive in the blits krieg developped in Italy and put in application by Germany. But after they understood they never loose a battle.

Oh...Italian government didn't belive in blitzkrieg also. Until they see Rommel aplly it in North Africa ( 1 german sodier for 5 italian soldier. The difference? Rommel and his way to command)

1. Pierre Laval was PM on the 1st of January 1936 to the 26th
2. It is, as France was quite stretched over what to do
3. They have historical numbers at both start dates
4. You're correct, and as thus they have grand battle plan in the game

Also, you can get fuel by buying it through trading for oil, with say, any of your allies??? Instead of trying to get into a historical correctness argument on the forums for a game with alt-history paths, just play the game or read the wiki.

I've lost the plot of this thread honestly.

 

[Christiane]

1. Pierre Laval was PM on the 1st of January 1936 to the 26th (Wrong. He was discarted up to 1940)
2. It is, as France was quite stretched over what to do
3. They have historical numbers at both start dates
4. You're correct, and as thus they have grand battle plan in the game

Also, you can get fuel by buying it through trading for oil, with say, any of your allies??? Instead of trying to get into a historical correctness argument on the forums for a game with alt-history paths, just play the game or read the wiki.

I've lost the plot of this thread honestly.

The Plot it's to make the game realistic. France was a great power at this moment. With some wrong doctrine and it's why they loose the battle of France. But they came back. It's not allowed in the game.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

The Plot it's to make the game realistic. France was a great power at this moment. With some wrong doctrine and it's why they loose the battle of France. But they came back. It's not allowed in the game.

Government in exile, particularly Free France, is in the game with unique focus tree. A capitulated country can uncapitulate after retaking the capital and 90% of their VP.

 

[Archerich]

Government in exile, particularly Free France, is in the game with unique focus tree. A capitulated country can uncapitulate after retaking the capital and 90% of their VP.

I know it's your decision but i'd recommend like I myself am going to do and abandon this thread.

 

[xtfoster]

• You are correct, France cannot buy fuel in the game. In fact, no nation can buy fuel in the game. Nations are expected to build refineries to increase their production of fuel and to build fuel silos to increase the capacity to store that fuel.

• You can however buy Oil. 1 CiC gives you 8 Oil, which at base level is about 500 fuel a day IIRC.

 

[Simon_9732495]

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THat's amazing. 6 well trained and heavily armed division loose against one division who don't have gun because they can't produce it and have no money to bought them.....Very Strange.

You are attacking with divisions that are training.

 

[Christiane]

You are attacking with divisions that are training.

ok

 

[Christiane]

I know it's your decision but i'd recommend like I myself am going to do and abandon this thread.

good to know

 

[SophieX]

The Plot it's to make the game realistic.

That's not possible in my humble opinion. You cannot "mirror" the whole reality in a game.
What you can do is to put in aspects or parts of reality into a game, a wargame's design must make trade-offs between realism, simplicity, and fun; and function with the constraints of its medium.

A "simulation" of reality will always follow the same path with the same outcome; a game should give us multiple pathes to go and choices to make with the purpose to get non-predictable "open ends".
More "historical" requirements always lead to a smaller "corridor" of playing-decisions....

Don't get me wrong, if you have ideas how to imrove the game, don't hesitate to write them down here.
But I suggest to get a deeper view into the game-mechanics to understand why "things" are provided in a specific ( not realistc ) manor.
If you have questions about aspects of the game-mechanics ( battle-plans, air-war, trading...etc or what ever you are unsure on ), you are welcome to ask.

My 2 cents....

 

[Christiane]

That's not possible in my humble opinion. You cannot "mirror" the whole reality in a game.
What you can do is to put in aspects or parts of reality into a game, a wargame's design must make trade-offs between realism, simplicity, and fun; and function with the constraints of its medium.

A "simulation" of reality will always follow the same path with the same outcome; a game should give us multiple pathes to go and choices to make with the purpose to get non-predictable "open ends".
More "historical" requirements always lead to a smaller "corridor" of playing-decisions....

Don't get me wrong, if you have ideas how to imrove the game, don't hesitate to write them down here.
But I suggest to get a deeper view into the game-mechanics to understand why "things" are provided in a specific ( not realistc ) manor.
If you have questions about aspects of the game-mechanics ( battle-plans, air-war, trading...etc or what ever you are unsure on ), you are welcome to ask.

My 2 cents....

I think you can make the game realistic by one way. You must give the starting situation mirror the whole reality. After that it's the choice of the gamer and believe me you will always have surprise. By example, France could believe in Blitzkrieg and try to do it but general don't and workers make greve and german get superiorité anyway. Or De gaule can be kill in the offensive against panzer...A lot of things can be done and can happend. But make a programm who don't take care of the monopol for petrol own by USA,France, UK and URSS it's not realistic. A great improvement could be the deepest goal of war and petrol was. Italy create a petrol compagny in 1953 only. You know petrol permit all economic developpement at this time because they didn't know other enrgy ressources. If you want to control your economy you must have all industry not from another country. In 1939 Japan,Italy and Germany was in the situation of dependance of France, UK, USA and URSS. It's why they do war.

For all the battle just presume than a general have more capacity than a private but it's hard in this version.

 

[SophieX]

But make a programm who don't take care of the monopol for petrol own by USA,France, UK and URSS it's not realistic.

I think, the oil-situation in 1936 is mirrored quite well in HOI4. USA and URS have the biggest part of oil. The UK-part here is ok as well, I think.
But I don't think that France had any significant oil-ressources, in order talk about France as an oil-monopolist.

 

[Christiane]

I think, the oil-situation in 1936 is mirrored quite well in HOI4. USA and URS have the biggest part of oil. The UK-part here is ok as well, I think.
But I don't think that France had any significant oil-ressources, in order talk about France as an oil-monopolist.

I can told you than yes. Total was created by the french government in 1924 to take the petrol from Irak Kuweit and Danish and they put pression for the tibetan petrol. Total was the third major in this era just after UK and USAé Urss was 4th...