HoI3 versus AoD

[numdydar]

I am someone that really did not like HoI2 (even with all the expansions). I also happen to really like HoI3 as it is currently (1.3). I have been reading about how great AoD is supposted to be. I have looked around and read about AoD, but I just cannot seem to understand why a lot of people think this it will be so great.

So I was hoping someone here would be able to explain (in simple terms lol) why I should be willing to buy AoD when I did not like HoI2 that much anyway?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

 

[Chromius]

Personally I am tempted just for the later war scenarios and tech.

I have spent more time playing HOI3 than HOI2(CORE) at this point myself, but my BUY NOW finger is getting itchy because of the 48-64 campaigns and tech. I am still using The Operational Art of War III for those years, though I suppose the map restricts them a little. Also fun to play out the wars in later years in non-historical ways as an alternative

HOI2 does do some things better than HOI3 but I will leave that to the experts to explain.

 

[GeorgePattonIII]

I am someone that really did not like HoI2 (even with all the expansions). I also happen to really like HoI3 as it is currently (1.3). I have been reading about how great AoD is supposted to be. I have looked around and read about AoD, but I just cannot seem to understand why a lot of people think this it will be so great.

So I was hoping someone here would be able to explain (in simple terms lol) why I should be willing to buy AoD when I did not like HoI2 that much anyway?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Well, not to be pessimistic, but I'm not sure what your motivations are for asking such a question. I kind of get the sense you're just trying to get a rise out of people, knowing that emotions run high on this forum when it comes to HOI3.

In any case, it's pretty vague to just say you "did not like HOI2", but you "really like HOI3". It's hard to answer the question without knowing what it is you like and dislike about the two games in the first place? Can you elaborate a little bit?

 

[Orm]

So I was hoping someone here would be able to explain (in simple terms lol) why I should be willing to buy AoD when I did not like HoI2 that much anyway?

From what I've seen there will be a lot of changes, but it's still fundamentally going to be HoI2. So unless you had some specific aspects of HoI2 that you didn't like and that will be changed in AoD, you're not going to like this either.

 

[Sernaton]

I doubt you will like AoD, if you did not like HoI2. AoD build on top of HoI2, so the gameplay and feeling is probably similar.

 

[Balesir]

So I was hoping someone here would be able to explain (in simple terms lol) why I should be willing to buy AoD when I did not like HoI2 that much anyway?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Well, I think that whether or not you will get anything out of AoD depends less on whether or not you liked HoI2 and more on what you are interested in with the HoI series of games in general. Is your interest on a purely casual level, or does it run a little deeper?

In making a grand-strategic computer game around the second world war there are an immense plethora of concepts, ideas and mechanisms that you can use to model the innumerable different aspects of the war. HoI3 uses a large number of innovative concepts and mechanisms; AoD uses a different set. Even though participating in the making of AoD has left me little time to play HoI3 I have done so a little, and I like a lot of what I see - but I still think that we added some concepts in AoD that they missed; we made the game better in ways that HoI3 did not even consider. That is not to in any way take away from the HoI3 designers - there are plenty of mechanisms in HoI3 that caused me to think "cor, I wish I/we had thought of that!" But I hope and believe that there will be a few things we did on AoD that makes them think the same

So, to return to your question, I think if your interest is in just finding a game that suits you for a few hours of entertainment, and HoI3 does that for you, then I would say 'good luck to you - it seems you already have what you want'. If, on the other hand, you are interested in the whole business of modelling and exploring the greatest conflict in 20th century history, then I think you will find aspects of AoD that inform and delight you, and that are different from what you will find in HoI3. Commercially the two may seem like rivals (albeit one is a whale and the other a minnow!), but from an intellectual and technical perspective I see them as entirely complementary.

 

[Nelson007]

there is no per-order in GG till now....

 

[unmerged(49695)]

I hate the new engine hoi3 runs on, I cant stand the fact that it seems a sluggish java application and all those 3d thingys. Then theres the sandbox/ahistorical feeling where you can see unbelievable things (mexico invading europe or denmark joinning the allies before being dowed comes to mind), but this already happened with euIII aswell.

I also happen to like the tech tree allot better as it feels way more historical and ofc there isnt excessive control to brigade level, which I dislike.

 

[Tormentor]

I think the main reason i can't play more than 1 hour with hoi3 is

- completely ahistorical game (as Colone General said "mexico invading europe or denmark joinning the allies before being dowed comes to mind")
- minor stuff for what about strategic gameplay but more important for historical feeling: I can't see other country's goverment -.-'

However, if you don't like Hoi2 I doubt you'll like AoD...

 

[Jarno]

hoi2 is far superior compared with hoi3 and AoD will make the gap even bigger.

 

[unmerged(87183)]

I think if you like HoI3, but dislike HoI2, you should just stick with HoI3 and forget AoD...

That said, I do not see how one would preferr HoI3 over HoI2.

 

[numdydar]

You are right about more details

Well, not to be pessimistic, but I'm not sure what your motivations are for asking such a question. I kind of get the sense you're just trying to get a rise out of people, knowing that emotions run high on this forum when it comes to HOI3.

In any case, it's pretty vague to just say you "did not like HOI2", but you "really like HOI3". It's hard to answer the question without knowing what it is you like and dislike about the two games in the first place? Can you elaborate a little bit?

This was a real question that I had and was not 'trying to stir things' up. The things I did not like about HoI2 was the amount of micromanagement and the way the research worked. Those were my main two issues. Both of these work much better imho in HoI3 than 2.

I keep wanting to like HoI2 which is why I kept buying the expansions And that is why I wanted to know more details about AoD. While it does add a lot to HoI2, I could not fine out is there enough changes of my main issues to warrent it's purchse.

Normally I would not even bother, but I read that the map has been greatly improved, so that is what has me leaning towards buying it. But I am not sure that just having a better map will offset my other issues. So that is why I thought I would ask the question. To see if the community could help me decide. Not to try and inflame things between people that like HoI3 and those that do not.

 

[Mario78]

Normally I would not even bother, but I read that the map has been greatly improved, so that is what has me leaning towards buying it.

I wish it were true but, AFAIK, there are no changes to the map.
There are many other improvements, I think it will really be HoI2 on steroids, but not in that area.
For the above reason, I will most certainly buy AoD on February 23th and start playing it right away, but I hope that somebody ( Mexbuild, E3,etc.) will be willing to develop and share with the community an improved map soon.

 

[crusadertsar]

You probably won't like AOD at all. It's not a sandbox-style game like HOI3. And it runs on the same engine as HOI2 so if you prefer HOI 3 because of its fancy 3D style, AOD will be a big disappointed for you. And the people who are excited about AOD are mostly those who enjoyed the more historical gameplay of HOI 2. Also I like the new more extensive tech tree.

 

[crusadertsar]

The things I did not like about HoI2 was the amount of micromanagement and the way the research worked.

But micromanaging multiple fronts/industry/economy was exactly what made HOI 2 fun for some people . And I actually see it as a good thing that AOD isn't playing to the lowest denomination by giving you the "pussy out" option of letting the AI fight your wars for you. AOD is a serious WW2 simulation and not the Sims playing nazi dressup. But seriously, this game is definitely not for you so I would wait for the HOI3 expansion or something.

 

[DvD-IT]

That said, I do not see how one would preferr HoI3 over HoI2.

De gustibus non disputandum.
As others stated, chances are if you don't like HoI2 you won't like AoD either. Still, you could always wait till the game is out and check others' points of view and reactions: we still don't know how the game plays out...

 

[numdydar]

Good idea

That is a good point. I think I will wait and see how the community reacts to AoD. After thinking about it, I feel my reason for wanting to buy AoD is due that I have all the other expansions for HoI2, so why not this one lol.

I actually use counters on HoI3 so the sprites are not something that I use. So that 3d aspect of the game is not something that appeals to me. However, the map in HoI3 is one of the major reasons I like it much better than HoI2.

But I am not willing to let go of HoI2 yet as everytime an expansion comes out for it, I buy it, try it, find I did not like it, and put it away until the next expansion So it is not like I do not give HoI2 a chance. I just can't seem to find the appeal that so many others have for HoI2. Considering the amount I have invested so far, I sure would like to

 

[McDaniel]

I like the new features that are in AoD compared to HoI2, but for me the main reason why i don't like hoi3 is that it is way to easy compared to hoi2. AoD will have a much more challanging and flexible AI then HoI2, so i hope it will be a lot harder then HoI2.

So fo me its HoI3<HoI2<AoD

(or hopefully will be )

 

[crusadertsar]

I like the new features that are in AoD compared to HoI2, but for me the main reason why i don't like hoi3 is that it is way to easy compared to hoi2. AoD will have a much more challanging and flexible AI then HoI2, so i hope it will be a lot harder then HoI2.

So fo me its HoI3<HoI2<AoD

(or hopefully will be )

+1, Completely agree. And also hoping that AoD doesn't betray our expectations.

 

[Nelson007]

After reading the threads,I think my pc is not good enough for HOI3 though I have a pc with E8400 and 4GB memory.....so I'd like to try AOD later....