An exmaple how the demo CPU/RAM usage looks like on my system - left and right are from the same game, with the right screen just secs after quitting the Demo. Oddly enough tabbing the game seemed to switch main CPU usage from unit #1 to unit #2.
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320mb is not a lot, if you're playing on high resolutions. Honestly, HoI3 has in a sense more GPU demand. Everything you see on the screen is generated by the GPU. For Crysis, a lot of what you see on the screen is also created by the CPU.
That's not true. Any modern FPS is a lot more demanding on graphics than HoI3. Today GPUs do most, if not all of rendering. Just look at pics above your post, and you will understand what i'm talking about. And i'm playing on 1280x1024.
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I am a professional programmer so i don't see how can you teach me in this way. I don't play 3d shooters and i don't paly any games except some strategies. Strategies always were less resource consuming. I dont see why do i need 1GB quadrofx videocard to run this game. I can develop you a tetris which would consume all your graphic resources but it is not the way. How much hoi3 graphics better then civ4 graphics visually? Why it has x10 times greater graphical card requirements? You know when i was a boy (in a mid 90s) i downloaded games from the internet thinking "if the game is bigger then it is better". Now i think if strategy with a simple graphics runs smoothly only with a top videocard then smth is wrong.
+1 )being programmer myself, and having the same thinking)
But to be fair,
that is a non optimised demo, saving a lot of log, and as you and I know, opening, writing and closing are the main ressource hog for an application ( I did some demos of it for my manager using Perl, it's making a simple script about 80 times slower when compared to save in a DB).
you can easily experiment your self, using the console, launch HOI2 or EU II wiht the DEBUG flag, you will feel the difference imediatly
So maybe we should wait and see
I don't get this foolish comparison to Civ 4, the most basic difference, which is huge, is that one is turn based and the other is real time.
+1 )being programmer myself, and having the same thinking)
But to be fair,
that is a non optimised demo, saving a lot of log, and as you and I know, opening, writing and closing are the main ressource hog for an application ( I did some demos of it for my manager using Perl, it's making a simple script about 80 times slower when compared to save in a DB).
you can easily experiment your self, using the console, launch HOI2 or EU II wiht the DEBUG flag, you will feel the difference imediatly
So maybe we should wait and see
Surely
You know for now Paradox games are quite the only i can play. All others are very much like hollywood movies. Just to take your money. Total War series became awful with it's Empire, also EA killed C&C series finaly. So there are not so much nice strategies to play. Definetly i will buy HOI3 tomorrow according to all my positive impressions of previous games and will hope some things would be improved.no one said that you need such thing, but your 128 bm card ist just below the sys requirments, and that was announced quite early by paradox.
doom3 was released august 2004, eu3 january 2007, civ4 well, dont need to mention that.
you said that you are a professional programmer, then you should know how fast the games evolution and pc hardware is. and i dont think a macbook is a good platform to play games (besides tetris)
CPU is used to process game logics. Now tell me the difference between 10 soldiers standing and breathing what is animated and 10 soldiers moving according to your videocard resources?
Paradox should optimize hoi3 not only for über high end and middle segment pcs
my specs
pentium 4 3.0hz
2gb ram
nvidia 9500gt 512 mb ram
windows xp
It lags like hell takes 30 sec for 24h
and my specs are better than minimum
my specs
pentium 4 3.0hz
2gb ram
nvidia 9500gt 512 mb ram
windows xp
It lags like hell takes 30 sec for 24h
and my specs are better than minimum
Didn't read the entire thread to see whether anyone pointed this out, but regarding the opening poster's specs, you will also note that the integrated graphics card is using system memory and doesn't have its own dedicated memory, which further saps the already taxed 2GIGs (remember, vista alone needs 1 gig to run).
For better and for worse, the decision to go with this new graphics engine means we have infinitely more possibilities in the map, but we also require a decent gfx card to play it as opposed to EU1 and 2 which only required enough memory and cpu speed.
For better and for worse, the decision to go with this new graphics engine means we have infinitely more possibilities in the map, but we also require a decent gfx card to play it as opposed to EU1 and 2 which only required enough memory and cpu speed.
What card i need to play this game smoothly? I got best single core ATI card but my game is lagging.
me too I am a professional programmer, to give you an idea of the level of my programming level I am member of I.E.T.F and did wrote (in collaboration with others) several RFC.
Does my credentials are enought for you?
So, the point is at work I mostly did use text files (whatever language you are using, the files you produce are basically text files, even hex files). Please notice I say TEXT and not .txt, lol.
Fact it's abit silly to have a top notch computer for playing while using a K6 (466 Mhz) laptop to produce coding (a programmer create or maintain code files) and an old K6 with ultra edit is more than enought.
Having a dual core, 2Gb and a 512 Mb card; I was in the hope it would be okie for a while. Today, if I listen people , I must buy quad core, 6 extra GB of Ram, a 1 Gb PCI Vga + a supplementary card ...
Something wrong it is not, in fact people who belittle the others are simply trying to confort themself , because somehow if you are able to waste 2500$ in a computer just to play HOI3, or you are filthly rich (good for those one) or simply totally insane (for those who earn a decent salary and waste that amount). It's comparable to a trip in a Vegas casino and waste a whole life of saving in one night ...
No offense intended, it was just to demonstrate we are spoken about a demo, demo that is without all the optimisation the real game will have. I gave earlier some of the obvious reasons why it's slow for some people, I am sure it must be a tons of others who will be not be there in the final release.
I just thinking what do i have to do? Do i have to go and buy a top pc? May be i need 2 cpus with 4 cores and two slim Geforce 9800 videocards? Because it is a new game? It will not work in a good way on my laptop c2d 2.4, gf 8600gt 128mb with 2gb ram as i see. I'd better buy a present for my girlfriend. And yes it will be much better.
EDIT: it is a demo. It is not a demo beta
EDIT: it is a demo. It is not a demo beta
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What can i say is if you will buy newest pc right now you will still have problems running game w/o lag
i dont get it, theres a sticky with all required info
please note, its always minimum requirments
http://www.3dchip.de/Grafikchipliste/Leistung_Graka.htm
http://forum.effizienzgurus.de/f37/preis-leistungs-analyse-aktueller-grafikkarten-t265.html
Okay, so here are my basic specs:
Intel dual core CPU, 3.00 GHz x2
4GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT x2 with SLI
I'm not quite clear on why it takes 1.6 seconds per hour on the fastest setting, and would take 3.5 hours to play a year with this sort of setup. I know my specs might not be state of the art, but I'd like to think that they're still pretty damn respectable for a gaming PC. As it is, HOI 3 is just too slow for me to actually purchase.
Intel dual core CPU, 3.00 GHz x2
4GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT x2 with SLI
I'm not quite clear on why it takes 1.6 seconds per hour on the fastest setting, and would take 3.5 hours to play a year with this sort of setup. I know my specs might not be state of the art, but I'd like to think that they're still pretty damn respectable for a gaming PC. As it is, HOI 3 is just too slow for me to actually purchase.
The problem here is that laptops are generally much weaker gaming platforms than desktops. Of course you can compensate with a much more expensive or newer laptop, but as a rule I estimate a gaming-laptop is as good for gaming as a two year older desktop. That's the price you pay for mobility.
So in desktop terms you're looking at a three-year old machine.
Which was probably an excellent choice for light weight and battery life, but not for performance.
As for the rest of the specs, considering its memory and graphics Gateway never intended your system to be used for gaming. It sounds like a nicely mobile machine, but don't expect it to work with any other than old games.
That's probably because everything else you use needs few resources, and Vista makes such programs feel very snappy. That's why Vista uses so many resources itself.
Programs that need more resources end up competing for them with Vista itself, and perform worse than under XP.
Insufficient memory. I remember a LAN-party where we played Company of Heroes on desktops with Vista and 2GB of memory, and a laptop with 1GB, inferior specs but which ran XP. Only on the laptop was the game playable.
Actually, all your problems sound suspiciously similar to the ones we had with Company of Heroes back then. We solved them by installing XP on all machines.
Insufficient memory, integrated Intel graphics - always a bad idea - and a not too fast CPU.
Probably the CPU, could also be insufficient memory.
Agreed. Laptops are for mobility, not games. Get yourself a $ 500 desktop. Otherwise it's like using a family car to pull a plow, or a tractor to take the family on holiday.
come on, no need for a top gaming pc, your card and 2gb ram istn just enough for hoi3. you can easily get a pc that runs the game perfectly for 600 eur.
well, not really, because i have no idea what you are talking about sorry.
its just that simple, since comupters became affordable the evolution of hardware and software (especially games) is very fast.
edit: even crappy amazon has good offers for less money
http://www.amazon.de/AMD-Phenom-940...r_1_19?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1249555955&sr=1-19
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