Either/or?
I will buy AoD, though I am still miffed that HOI3 could not be both games!!!!
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I will buy AoD, though I am still miffed that HOI3 could not be both games!!!!
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bearing in mind I have already bought HOI3 (and wish I hadn't) I think this is much better and its not even out yet!!
I'm right there with you Thomas. I don't care what some say about AoD at this point or whether its more expensive than HoI 2 (and totally irrelevant comparison in my opinion). I'm just really happy that there is a new Paradox title coming that I can actually play on my aging laptop for once. Just one more week to wait
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If they could just slighly enhance command system in AoD o look at least simillar to HOI III,than AoD will be actualy game superior to HOI III.
Ohervise if commanding system stays same(ready HQ-s as basicaly a supply trucks not as command) as in HOI II Doomsday,AoD is crippled from the beggining.
Ohervise if commanding system stays same(ready HQ-s as basicaly a supply trucks not as command) as in HOI II Doomsday,AoD is crippled from the beggining.
One of the DD's mentioned that the effect of HQ units has been changed so you now actually want to keep them behind the frontlines and use them more like historical HQ's, but I don't remember the details.
I considder this to be pivotal question considdering any debate about wotrhines of AoD.
Only thing HOI III has andeniably (ancomparably)superior to old HOI II is commanding system.
Its the only thing HOI II needed to change to be perfect.
I just opened separate thread about this.
HoI3 sounded fantastic, it talked the best game ever and I was really exicted about getting it. Quite honestly I can't see how it offers any improvement on HoI2 except a map with more provinces and the ability to built divisions with varying numbers of brigades. But even with respect to the map they went over board on new provinces resulting in laggy performance and a map that is extremely difficult to read. AoD lets you add as many provinces as almost anyone could want which has the potential to make a game that strikes the perfect balance between maneuver opportunities, perfomance and ease of reading.
The new HQ system in HoI3 is like much of that game in that it's terrific until you actually have to use it. In practice it's extremely tedious to use, hard to understand, you can't create new theaters and it appears to introduce plenty of AI related problems which would radically reduce my enjoyment of HoI3 if I had any interest in it.
Frankly I do not think that HoI3 will ever be transformed into a great game. I say that after reading Johan's comments about how he basically thinks that it just needs some polishing and is basically a great product as it is. It looks like 1.4 will be basically some AI tweaking and bit of balancing and not much else. He also stated that it's the final patch. Given the massive number of problems that the game has I simply don't think that a single patch will sort it out to such an extent that it will be better then HoI2DD.
When I look at AoD I see a vastly improved HoI2 which is terrific since HoI2 and DD worked so well.
Of course it could be that AoD will be horribly flawed and a mess to avoid but I doubt it since it's been in development for a very long time and it looks very promising.
The new HQ system in HoI3 is like much of that game in that it's terrific until you actually have to use it. In practice it's extremely tedious to use, hard to understand, you can't create new theaters and it appears to introduce plenty of AI related problems which would radically reduce my enjoyment of HoI3 if I had any interest in it.
Frankly I do not think that HoI3 will ever be transformed into a great game. I say that after reading Johan's comments about how he basically thinks that it just needs some polishing and is basically a great product as it is. It looks like 1.4 will be basically some AI tweaking and bit of balancing and not much else. He also stated that it's the final patch. Given the massive number of problems that the game has I simply don't think that a single patch will sort it out to such an extent that it will be better then HoI2DD.
When I look at AoD I see a vastly improved HoI2 which is terrific since HoI2 and DD worked so well.
Of course it could be that AoD will be horribly flawed and a mess to avoid but I doubt it since it's been in development for a very long time and it looks very promising.
Yes.Paradoxians are anaware that game has serrious inherited errors ,and though I sopose game was sold OK in the beginning,and looked ok commercialy(I don know) it was becouse of "momenum" and HOI II legacy,but its obvious communiy is dissapating about HOI III,the HOI III is loosing old HOI community.
The price of HOI III dropped from 40 euros to 17 euros afer only fiew months of being on the market..another symptom.
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I would say that I'm heavily leaning towards AOD over HOI3. I've been trying to play a game as Australia and ended up just quitting and uninstalling the game. I got sick and tired of what effectivly became the "Channal Island Wars"
Britain and Germany did nothing except fight over the Channel Islands. With Britain losing tons of men, yet constantly sending more troops there. And teh Germans, instead of invading Britain and rolling up the British, did nothing except keep on attacking the CI....i found it retarded and frustrating, so uninstalled to await AOD.
I doubt I'll play HOI3 again.
Britain and Germany did nothing except fight over the Channel Islands. With Britain losing tons of men, yet constantly sending more troops there. And teh Germans, instead of invading Britain and rolling up the British, did nothing except keep on attacking the CI....i found it retarded and frustrating, so uninstalled to await AOD.
I doubt I'll play HOI3 again.
The only thing I really like about HoI3 is the map/vast number of provinces. It's the first Clausewitz game that looks good out of the box, IMHO.
I don't like the move from events to decisions and I don't like the new tech tree. I could probably get past those issues... except I also have to put up with constant little loading pauses and slow as molasses gameplay. HoI3 brings My Core 2 Quad system to its knees.
All I wanted from HoI3 was HoI2'esqe game play with a better map and maybe some new features/better AI. Instead they had to go and change everything. It's a completely different game. HoI2 (and DD/Arma) are some of the best games I've ever played, I'm looking forward to AoD.
I don't like the move from events to decisions and I don't like the new tech tree. I could probably get past those issues... except I also have to put up with constant little loading pauses and slow as molasses gameplay. HoI3 brings My Core 2 Quad system to its knees.
All I wanted from HoI3 was HoI2'esqe game play with a better map and maybe some new features/better AI. Instead they had to go and change everything. It's a completely different game. HoI2 (and DD/Arma) are some of the best games I've ever played, I'm looking forward to AoD.
When AOD is released in a week I believe it will be a better game than HOI 3. I definitely like some aspects of HOI 3 like command structure, the technology system, customizable divisions and number of provinces. Overall, though, AOD will be better. However, I have faith that Paradox will eventually expand, adjust and polish HOI 3 until it's the better game. 1.4 will be the last patch for vanilla HOI 3 but there will be at least 1 expansion (maybe 2) and at least 1 patch (probably 2 or 3) after that.
AOD will make the best strategy game ever made even better. What's not to like! I'm certain I'll be playing it for years to come.
AOD will make the best strategy game ever made even better. What's not to like! I'm certain I'll be playing it for years to come.
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Imagine in HOI III as Germany you are upgrading armoured cars and this picture of late wwI armoured cars stays all the time.It cant pass anymore for me,I need spices,historical ones, loads of them.And AoD will I am sure offer them.
Look just artillery bombardment of provinces in AoD..brilliant,such things are proof how superficialy it was aproached to developement of HOI III.
Sounds likely that the game sold well initially because of high expectations based on HoI2 experience and built up by the DD's. But I still hope HoI3 was not a complete failure commercially since that could mean we will have to wait a long time until Paradox are willing to risk a HoI4.
I hope to its not commercial failure because this could discourage developer to make sequel,or even addon.
Or maybee ,this will motivate them to make HOI IV ,one less complicated,more based on HOI II aproach.
I still hope they are working now on massive addon for HOI III ,one that will simplifie game and ad new elements like command structure for airforce and navy.
There hasn't been a single Paradox game that was great at release. Don't sweat it too much. An expansion is already on it's way and will hopefully be what IN/NA were for EU3.
Until that day I think I'll stick with AoD
Until that day I think I'll stick with AoD
There hasn't been a single Paradox game that was great at release. Don't sweat it too much. An expansion is already on it's way and will hopefully be what IN/NA were for EU3.
Until that day I think I'll stick with AoD
From your lips,to God-s ears.Let it be so.
I am still unsure as to whether or not I'll purchase AoD. I feel that a patched/polished HOI3 will ultimately be better because it just has so much more potential. Not to take anything from AoD though. The AoD team has pretty much figured out a way to get everything they can out of the old engine. That is my point though, it is an old engine. I think AoD is as far as it can be taken. Although I may like Hoi2 a little bit more atm in the future this may change because the new engine has more potential.
What I am truly afraid of is being lost between the two games. What if I can no longer play hoi2 because I miss the advances from 3?(the new map, technology system, military command etc.). I fear that this will happen to many a HOI fan. We will not be able to find our way and in the end we will be lost until Hoi4.
Anyway I'm still really unsure about AoD. I will likely purchase Achtung Panzer first if the demo is good as it is something new and different for me. I will wait and see what people say about AoD.
What I am truly afraid of is being lost between the two games. What if I can no longer play hoi2 because I miss the advances from 3?(the new map, technology system, military command etc.). I fear that this will happen to many a HOI fan. We will not be able to find our way and in the end we will be lost until Hoi4.
Anyway I'm still really unsure about AoD. I will likely purchase Achtung Panzer first if the demo is good as it is something new and different for me. I will wait and see what people say about AoD.
I really doubt that
. They most likely have their hands full with Vicky 2. Probably have to wait for at least another year for any new of HoI 3 expansion (if there even will be one).
Well I just read Johan's update on what the 1.4 patch will supposedly fix and it doesn't seem like enough to make the game more like HoI 2 with better graphics (what HoI 3 should have been since HoI 2 gameplay was already close to perfect). I'm just glad that I'll have AoD to weather the long wait until HoI IV
. And like I said in another thread before, you got nothing to lose with AoD. The fact that AoD actually has historical gameplay is also a bonus in my eyes. No amount of patches and little AI tweaks will change HoI 3 random sandbox gameplay. I'm surprised that Johan doesn't even see the game as broken and isn't addressing some of the major complaints that the fans had, like having AI behave more historically. A recent post on these forums describing a war of epic proportions between Germany and Britain over Channel Islands :wacko: of all places comes to mind and illustrates this problem very well. So if you enjoy (or think there is nothing wrong with it) that kind of gameplay then you should probably continue playing HoI 3 and be happy but if you see HoI 3 for what it really is (WW2-flavoured Civilization game in disguise) then you should make the switch to Arsenal of Democracy and never look back.Sorry, I didn't realize that the Channel Island post was in this thread. Thank you, Ddiplock, for illustrating just why I haven't tried HoI 3 for a while now.
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Well, superstacking will be out in 1.4. And ahistorical behaviour is also being worked on. Also ally cooperation is promised by devs in 1.4 patch. Read some of the posts on HoI3 forum, most of issues you mention will be gone.
If I buy AoD when it comes out I will play only until I get a better rig so I can start really playing HoI3, as it is a league above the HoI2. Yes, even in this condition. Perchance, in a number of games I played as Germany I never encountered the superstack issue. But I guess Japanese did, I haven't really been watching them.