HoI 4 - Replacing Cavalry with armor units

[Duffdrums]

Description of issue
Replacing Cavalry with armor units

Game Version
Oak 1.4.2

Enabled DLC
Together for Victory,
Death or Dishonor, All of the above

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Description
the fact is that you don't lose your division's experience when your change cavalry units in : inf, art, anty tank, anti air, armor and armor variant and everything other than mobile unit

Steps to Reproduce
Take a Division of cavalry, whetever the size
Train it to trained lvl
then change the Cav unit into Armor or Inf units
And now you get a fully trained armored Div without losing a single tank by training it

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[bitmode]

What do you mean by "train it to trained lvl"? Unless you deploy them early, they are already trained. Regardless, these reproduction steps don't work for me. The division loses XP just as any other type. (Tested with 9CAV to 9INF)

 

[stjern]

Exacly how much experience is lost can be tweaked in defines.lua, this is clearly not a bug.

 

[Duffdrums]

I repeated it this afternoon, and it still work,

you first have to create the division template with for exemple 10 cavs, in order to have 20width tanks div after that, then you spawn 10 of this divs of Cav

you full train them, (+25% attack and defence) once its ready, you go in the template makers and you replace all the cav with tanks

Of course you need a large amount of army xp to do that so its for axis and ussr, USA can make it if he give a lot of land lease or if you do the 1 Div training strategy/exploit

 

[Duffdrums]

i can't really show you with screenshot but it works

 

[Duffdrums]

What do you mean by "train it to trained lvl"? Unless you deploy them early, they are already trained. Regardless, these reproduction steps don't work for me. The division loses XP just as any other type. (Tested with 9CAV to 9INF)

Did you kept the same Div ?

 

[Napoleonetniet]

@Duffdrums , the unit in your screenshot 2 is not 'done' yet.. its still in the process of the swop. Check the XP when the strength bar is filled up again (orange one)

 

[Napoleonetniet]

Actually he (@Duffdrums ) is right..

just did a few tests (no mods) and indeed when you change (maybe 'EDIT' is more clear) the EXISTING/CURRENT template of the cav unit(s) already in the field like this the units' XP stays the same - even after the new stufff has arrived, also you dont see the XP bar drop instantly on the change like it will when you make a new or duplicate the template (and change the cav to tanks).. and then swop the selected unit(s) to the new template.

this is what i get if i swop (edit) the CAV to MED.TANKS in my EXISTING/CURRENT cav template the one i used to train 2 units.. and trained those cav units up to lvl 3 - experienced (+25%)
after all equipment arrived:

before it arrives (right after the change)

whoopty STILL +25% experienced..

while if I make a new template from scratch (or duplicate it and change it there), right after the swopping the 2 units to the new tank template:

the xp drop.

 

[Duffdrums]

@Duffdrums , the unit in your screenshot 2 is not 'done' yet.. its still in the process of the swop. Check the XP when the strength bar is filled up again (orange one)

i'm not stupid...

it works for me, whatever the time they have for resupply

 

[Duffdrums]

Actually he (@Duffdrums ) is right..

just did a few tests (no mods) and indeed when you change (maybe 'EDIT' is more clear) the EXISTING/CURRENT template of the cav unit(s) already in the field like this the units' XP stays the same - even after the new stufff has arrived, also you dont see the XP bar drop instantly on the change like it will when you make a new or duplicate the template (and change the cav to tanks).. and then swop the selected unit(s) to the new template.

this is what i get if i swop (edit) the CAV to MED.TANKS in my EXISTING/CURRENT cav template the one i used to train 2 units.. and trained those cav units up to lvl 3 - experienced (+25%)
after all equipment arrived:
View attachment 322637
before it arrives (right after the change)
View attachment 322642
whoopty STILL +25% experienced..

while if I make a new template from scratch (or duplicate it and change it there), right after the swopping the 2 units to the new tank template:
View attachment 322643 View attachment 322639
the xp drop.

Thx you, i'm not english thx for explaining better than i do

 

[Duffdrums]

By the way this is exploit, you don't have to lose any tanks in training, that's just OP especially if you do big tanks div and be ready for 39

 

[DukofDeth]

It probably works because you're changing Cav to Arm, so there's less personnel. XP drops due to green newbies filling out vacancies. Cav has more personnel than armor.

 

[Duffdrums]

It probably works because you're changing Cav to Arm, so there's less personnel. XP drops due to green newbies filling out vacancies. Cav has more personnel than armor.

I don't think so because its work for every unit except mechanised, motorised and cav, i did't try rocket luncher. you can replace by every type of foot infantry including arty and every armor

 

[TheMeInTeam]

This interaction happens with more than just cav. I forget the precise conditions, but I swapped a bunch of troops into paratroopers of smaller width and wound up with much more than the +25% boost...best I could tell the units were max xp.

 

[bitmode]

still happens in 1.5.0

 

[Duffdrums]

still happens in 1.5.0

i guess it is not a bug but normal...

 

[Winter Unicorn]

Disagree. It is exploit, because in game mechanics training horses is much cheaper than training tanks. Also in real life expirience of horsemans has no correlation with tanks.

 

[Duffdrums]

Disagree. It is exploit, because in game mechanics training horses is much cheaper than training tanks. Also in real life expirience of horsemans has no correlation with tanks.

Of course its an exploit ! you can save a insane amount of tank !

 

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