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Well, you're right about the outgroup paranoia being used by people like Stalin. People will be people after all, and a manipulator uses people in effective ways, regardless of politics. I'd call fascists more naive jerks than naive idealists though. The entire philosophy is built on the idea that the fascist will be better off if they screw over the less fortunate. That's hardly idealistic. They're just naive in that they don't realize they'll inevitably get left on the outside as well, sooner or later.

I believe this says more about what you believe than what fascists believe, especially when you consider the cornerstone of much of the national socialist's social beliefs hinged upon the idea that the Jews were so fortunate they controlled most of the economic institutions to the detriment of native Germans, with the aristocracy and the church being equally ubiquitous.
 

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I believe this says more about what you believe than what fascists believe, especially when you consider the cornerstone of much of the national socialist's social beliefs hinged upon the idea that the Jews were so fortunate they controlled most of the economic institutions to the detriment of native Germans, with the aristocracy and the church being equally ubiquitous.

GERMAN Fascists.

Italian Fascists didn’t give a hoot about Jews until Italy aligned itself with German, and even then Italy’s record on the matter is far more muddled than Germany’s.

Fascism, like all ideologies, is distorted by the institutions of the country; in Germany anti-semitism was rife well before the Nazis came along. In Italy, class and empire were the main focus of the culture.

Worship of the state above everything else is Fascism’s hallmark, no matter where it is found.
 

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Ever heard of Clerical Fascism? Or Integralism, which would require a fascist or strongly traditionalist and authoritarian state?

But that is still worship of the state, a state that cannot tolerate loyalty to any higher power, except maybe through vehicles controlled by the state.
 

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This statement hinges on the assumption that communists don't hand things over to a Stalin via in/out group paranoia (I believe the term they would use would be class warfare and anti-Zionism) and that fascists aren't naïve idealists.
Yeah I dont really understand why Voter Registration counts as fascist.
 

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Yeah I dont really understand why Voter Registration counts as fascist.

If you have the power to register voters then you have the power to de-register voters. That way it's a lot easier to say '100% of registered voters support our plan of oppressing X' since X are no longer allowed to vote.
 

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If you have the power to register voters then you have the power to de-register voters. That way it's a lot easier to say '100% of registered voters support our plan of oppressing X' since X are no longer allowed to vote.

Okay... but voter fraud isn't exclusive to fascists.
 

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Okay... but voter fraud isn't exclusive to fascists.

It’s more of the story being told by the focuses is that American fascism gradually takes over (which was rather implausible historically) because the American conservatives strike too many deals with them and also set the groundwork for a fascist takeover by passing laws that the Silver Legion Co-opts to aid them in their takeover
 

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It’s more of the story being told by the focuses is that American fascism gradually takes over (which was rather implausible historically) because the American conservatives strike too many deals with them and also set the groundwork for a fascist takeover by passing laws that the Silver Legion Co-opts to aid them in their takeover

The problem with that is that if voter exclusion laws are being enacted to the benefit of conservatives then it would make sense that it would be enacted to the exclusion of the tiny minority of fascists as well. This is reflected in the fact that the Voter Registration Act is not even underneath the Ally the Silver Shirts tree - it's under the America First Branch. It can very well just be interpreted as a way of excluding radicals from the political process, or even weeding out illegal voters. And while it certainly may be co-opted by the fascists, the problem is it seems like an act that would be to the benefit of helping them solidify power rather than seizing it - which is, again, reflected in its placement.
 

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The problem with that is that if voter exclusion laws are being enacted to the benefit of conservatives then it would make sense that it would be enacted to the exclusion of the tiny minority of fascists as well. This is reflected in the fact that the Voter Registration Act is not even underneath the Ally the Silver Shirts tree - it's under the America First Branch. It can very well just be interpreted as a way of excluding radicals from the political process, or even weeding out illegal voters. And while it certainly may be co-opted by the fascists, the problem is it seems like an act that would be to the benefit of helping them solidify power rather than seizing it - which is, again, reflected in its placement.

It would depend on how you play out the focus tree - from what I understand going down the HUAC and Voter Registration act does not actually make you fascist in of itself, you can stick with the Republicans without going fascist - just a very authoritarian version of the GOP. A small boost in fascist popularity can be chalked up to represented the crypto-fascists and authoritarian social conservatives (HOI4 doesn’t quite differentiate them if it’s convenient to the plot). It’s only if you ally with the Silver Shirts that it starts to really benefit the fascist movement
 

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Is George Marshall finally being added to the US General pool? He is the most important WW2 General not in the game.
 

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Is George Marshall finally being added to the US General pool? He is the most important WW2 General not in the game.

I would honestly be surprised if NBF III isn't added either given the equivocation of southerner and Nazi.
 

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If we grant Statehood to Alaska, Hawaii, or Puerto Rico will that increase the number of seats in the Senate, as it should?

And if go down the War Powers Act branch, is it possible to grant the annexed provinces of Canada, states of Mexico, or Cuba Statehood?
What about the flag changing when giving statehood, therefore adding stars? reeee
 
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I expect there is an approved 51-star flag design that could be rolled out as graphics
 

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I doubt it. A new flag for each new state will be one of the first new mods to come out.
 

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Add a game rule to let players decide if Huey Long is dead or alive in the game!
 

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What about the flag changing when giving statehood, therefore adding stars? reeee
I'm pretty sure there are included 49- and 50-star flags for when Alaska and Hawaii gain statehood.

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Add a game rule to let players decide if Huey Long is dead or alive in the game!
Eh save that for mods. He was assassinated in 1934 and the game starts in 1936.
 
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Add a game rule to let players decide if Huey Long is dead or alive in the game!

There's already one.

It's called Kaiserreich.