If you think HOI3 failed what exactly is inspiring confidence in HOI4 for you?
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HOI 4 Counters
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If you think HOI3 failed what exactly is inspiring confidence in HOI4 for you?
You can tell alot about players by what they agree and disagree on...
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As someone has mentioned. I hope for a mod that can get rid of the sprites (or a DLC), and I want another options for counters than the silly ones we see in screenshots (either a mod or a dlc)
Ideally, Paradox releases such a DLC at the same time as the game is for sale. If they also release a DLC with the OOB from HOI3 (or an improved one) I would buy it, almost at any cost.
Ideally, Paradox releases such a DLC at the same time as the game is for sale. If they also release a DLC with the OOB from HOI3 (or an improved one) I would buy it, almost at any cost.
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I am feverishly working hard on generating more manna so that i can lower world tensions, and we can have a wizard war over counters in this thread.
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Simply 2 things :
1) The fact they wouldn't like to repeat their faults, and that they now are experienced.
2) The DDs.
Of course, there still are some things that worry me, but I'm rather confident overall.
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I rate better mechanics over 'better' graphics . . .
I can probably live with the symbols on the little unit markers; tank, helmet, lorry, etc.
Would just be nice to turn the animated sprites off . . .
I can probably live with the symbols on the little unit markers; tank, helmet, lorry, etc.
Would just be nice to turn the animated sprites off . . .
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These threads on counters are a deliciously concentrated source of schadenfreude.
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Is this thread not locked yet? I haven't seen any good come out of this thread other than "THERE WONT BE COUNTERS ITS THE END TIMES!!! DEVS Y WONT U LISTEN TO ME FOR THE HUNDRETH TIME!?!".
Despite the fact that counters have been confirmed and shown all over the forums.
Despite the fact that counters have been confirmed and shown all over the forums.
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Counters have neither been confirmed nor shown on the forum. In fact it has been confirmed that there wont be counters, hence the uproar. What there will be is not the Nato style counter most players want but some rectangular looking thing that you have to zoom all the way out / or in whichever before you see it. It simply isnt the same thing. So if your going to Flame, you should at least get the details correct.
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Are you being completely ridiculous?Counters have neither been confirmed nor shown on the forum. In fact it has been confirmed that there wont be counters, hence the uproar. What there will be is not the Nato style counter most players want but some rectangular looking thing that you have to zoom all the way out / or in whichever before you see it. It simply isnt the same thing. So if your going to Flame, you should at least get the details correct.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...e-discussion-of-hoi4-counters-read-op.855915/
That thread is literally on the front page of these forums and features loads of images of counters. Yes those counters are slightly modified but the basic design is quite clear and still there. Just google HOI4 counters and the first image will have counters in it!
So what was that about flaming?
Once again I request a lock to stop ridiculous petty arguments like this.
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What the Moderators don't want is the same thing over & over and the discussion taking over other topics. If someone new asks about it and it is answered or if someone has a new point to be made then it can be discussed (as fare as I know it it is not a banned topic) and there is an open thread if you just have to keep making the same point link. Not that you can spam it, more just you can keep beating a dead horse.
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That lead to an early miss understanding, the info 'cards' or mini-counters are different than the 'Nato-style' or traditional wargame counters and do different things (like they don't represent a single division, but all the divisions of that type in that province).
Too many people two different things with different functions that are similar & generally have the same name.
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The player with 2,420 posts gets it, the one with 11 does not...
Unfortunately we will be beating alot of dead horses over and over in the next 6+ months until launch...
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Brutally honestly, I was 100% sure the "where are the counters" posts were just trolling in the beginning. Square or rectanglar, pictograms or NATO symbols, counters are counters. Denying this has caused confusion since day one. I seem to recall even Podcat had to have it explained to him what you guys really meant, and that should tell you something.Counters have neither been confirmed nor shown on the forum. In fact it has been confirmed that there wont be counters, hence the uproar. What there will be is not the Nato style counter most players want but some rectangular looking thing that you have to zoom all the way out / or in whichever before you see it. It simply isnt the same thing.
Dead horse indeed...
Yeah, about that...
In microgames, counters were printed on one or more sheets of thick paper which the player had to cut for themselves rather than the die-cut cardboard sheets included with most board wargames. Dragon Magazine used to include counters printed on a cardstock centerfold for monthly games (especially by Tom Wham).
In block wargames, wooden blocks are used instead of cardboard as the counters to represent pieces, in order to emulate the fog of war (by placing the blocks upright to make the information visible to only one of the players).
Although counters are typically square, some games use oblong rectangles as counters for individual ships, as in Flying Colors, or for land units in tactical-scale games when the designer wishes to emphasize the facing or linearity of the unit, as in the Great Battles of History series. Other variations are of course possible. The unit counters in Luftwaffe are circular, while one game covering the Eastern Front in World War II had hexagonal counters.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_(board_wargames)#VariationsIn block wargames, wooden blocks are used instead of cardboard as the counters to represent pieces, in order to emulate the fog of war (by placing the blocks upright to make the information visible to only one of the players).
Although counters are typically square, some games use oblong rectangles as counters for individual ships, as in Flying Colors, or for land units in tactical-scale games when the designer wishes to emphasize the facing or linearity of the unit, as in the Great Battles of History series. Other variations are of course possible. The unit counters in Luftwaffe are circular, while one game covering the Eastern Front in World War II had hexagonal counters.
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Its generally accepted by Wargamers of HOI series that counters are nato style counters, seldom do we have to be more specific than that. The majority of gamers here know what we are talking about when we say "counters" and what we are getting aren't them.
I dont think people are trolling here too much, I think we get alot of new people, and alot that dont read the threads, hence repeat posts...
I dont think people are trolling here too much, I think we get alot of new people, and alot that dont read the threads, hence repeat posts...
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Your judging people off their post count? How mature, and that's despite the fact that I've probably lurked here more than you, so stop this childish counting contest of "I've got more posts than you!" Immediately.
Its generally accepted that counters means NATO counters by YOU and a few more HOI3 players. Using inclusive language doesn't make your statement any more correct.
Let's get this clear: counters are in the game. They quite clearly fit the defination of a counter as safe keeper pointed out. You're only angry because they aren't the exact counters you want: NATO counters. This is in my opinion ridiculous, and really doesn't seem to make a difference to the vast majority of HOI players from my experiance, whether they're on the forums or other websites, but each to their own.
And let's face it, if something is wanted enough, somebody will mod it in. This thread would be fine if this was the first time this subject was bought up, but now it's just annoying and spammy. You want NATO counters, fine, but let's just leave it at that and let the devs decide, otherwise it'll delve into pointless insult competions. Posting over and over and over doesnt make your view any more important than anyone elses whats most important in-game.
I agree it's always nice to have the option graphical features like alternate counters, but we don't need to beat a dead horse... Talk about beating a dead horse, there's nothing left to beat at this point.
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Yes..you have lurked since Aug 15, 2014. That's almost a year.
I thought the nicest counters I ever used in a wargame were in Avalon Hill's The Longest Day. They were circular for HQ's and square for units, and used the historically accurate German symbols instead of the abomination Nato symbols.
I thought the nicest counters I ever used in a wargame were in Avalon Hill's The Longest Day. They were circular for HQ's and square for units, and used the historically accurate German symbols instead of the abomination Nato symbols.
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As an aside: since we've already got an option to use NATO symbols, it'd be cool if there was also an option to use Wehrmacht symbols, and perhaps also the systems of a few other cuntries. Don't know what Japan or USSR used, but if they had their own systems it'd be interesting to have those, too, seeing they were major players in this war.
I liked the counters in SPI's Firefight, myself. You can pretty easily tell what they represent, and they are "clean" and tidy, since most of the info about units was put in the rulebook.
I liked the counters in SPI's Firefight, myself. You can pretty easily tell what they represent, and they are "clean" and tidy, since most of the info about units was put in the rulebook.
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I agree with your second statement, but implying that when I created an account is when I started lurking is painfully wrong, I've been here since about 2008. I'm generally not a poster and didn't feel need to create an account until recently.
Lets stay away from post counts & join dates. What does matter is community involvement. Lukers are some of the people we are 'talking' to, but what we are mostly 'talking' to is other community members of the HoI community to get/give our feedback on our ideas & concerns and them hope the Devs see them and keep them in mind as they work on the game.
What the Devs & you are calling counters is not what a core of wargame enthusiasts call counters and this has caused confusion. Do you have a better term that would be less confusing?
I don't so much care what the center graphic is (so long as it is modable) and it can be a NATO style symbol, German WWII symbol, picture or helmet. So to those who like the idea of counters, don't get stuck on the use of NATO-style counters as we are just trying to be clear and not pushing others to use just what we want to use. We are the 'pro-choice group' and the models group is the 'we know better' and you must use our style icons not what you want.
What the Devs & you are calling counters is not what a core of wargame enthusiasts call counters and this has caused confusion. Do you have a better term that would be less confusing?
I don't so much care what the center graphic is (so long as it is modable) and it can be a NATO style symbol, German WWII symbol, picture or helmet. So to those who like the idea of counters, don't get stuck on the use of NATO-style counters as we are just trying to be clear and not pushing others to use just what we want to use. We are the 'pro-choice group' and the models group is the 'we know better' and you must use our style icons not what you want.
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