HoI 4 - [1.6.2_beta][f107]: Oil from seabound provinces do not use convoys

[Dan1109]

Description of issue
[1.6.2_beta][f107]: Oil from seabound provinces do not use convoys

Game Version
1.6.2 beta, f107

Enabled DLC
All of the above

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Description
While playing ENG, I noticed that oil imported from either ENG provinces in Africa or oil imported from subject nations, are not using convoys. The oil that they provide, taking trade laws into consideration nevertheless provides the fuel as if it were properly transported back to the British Isles. Therefore the UK gets fuel and the axis cannot starve the UK of those resources.

NOTE - oil from trade, such as the USA, is indeed using convoys.

Steps to Reproduce
Launch a new game, start as UK. Look at the extracted oil tooltip in the trade window. You will see plenty of oil, and no convoys being used. Also, go to naval window showing convoy routes. Look at the resource route from Nigeria back to the British Isles. It is constantly at zero convoy usage.

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[Pellaken]

Description of issue
[1.6.2_beta][f107]: Oil from seabound provinces do not use convoys

Game Version
1.6.2 beta, f107

Enabled DLC
All of the above

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Description
While playing ENG, I noticed that oil imported from either ENG provinces in Africa or oil imported from subject nations, are not using convoys. The oil that they provide, taking trade laws into consideration nevertheless provides the fuel as if it were properly transported back to the British Isles. Therefore the UK gets fuel and the axis cannot starve the UK of those resources.

NOTE - oil from trade, such as the USA, is indeed using convoys.

Steps to Reproduce
Launch a new game, start as UK. Look at the extracted oil tooltip in the trade window. You will see plenty of oil, and no convoys being used. Also, go to naval window showing convoy routes. Look at the resource route from Nigeria back to the British Isles. It is constantly at zero convoy usage.

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has this been fixed in 1.6.2 (non-beta) according to your gameplay experiences?

 

[Dan1109]

Yes, it appears to be fixed. Thank you.

PDS, the issue can be closed and marked resolved.

 

[Dan1109]

 

[Dan1109]

I take it back, the problem was "fixed", and then convoys just went back to zero. Trying to isolate atm.

 

[Dan1109]

Definitely not fixed. And I have found another issue, regarding the AMOUNT of convoys used for resource transfers (far fewer convoys than properly needed, not just for oil but all types). I'll need to look at both of these issues from the FRA and JAP side of things (JAP would need have taken DEI to look at JAP Oil Resource convoys).

To clarify everything, the type of convoy that has issues is RESOURCE TRANSFERS.

 

[Dan1109]

But is it even worth it, if PDS won't acknowledge this as an issue, and 1.6 seems to be closed and at best we'll see more fixes in 1.7?

 

[Diwtop]

PDS seems to be aware that there are some issues with the convoi System. Sie Rogers mentioned a rework of the system coming with 1.7..

Take a look: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...route-is-canceled-during-convoy-raid.1161598/

 

[Dan1109]

well, not sure if @Sir-Rogers is aware of this use case. The more informed they are, the more they can internally test to ensure it is taken care of. However, it may be a completely different issue entirely.

Its not a game breaking issue like negative convoys. The AI or even the player, will get "free transfer" of resources, without convoys. So, it won't be noticed by many. It will however prevent people from "starving" ENG or JAP of their fuel by destroying all of their convoys.

Haven't spent any more time on it, but here's how to reproduce.

Start the game, and you will see zero convoys being used.
After a day or two, the convoys will be assigned (thought this is where they fixed it in 1.6.2)
However, if ENG trades for oil there is a problem. If she trades for 16 oil to the USA, no problems. If she trades for 24 oil, then the problem appears, the resource transfer convoys go to zero again.

In this particular case, ENG has 23 oil, all coming from resource transfers. So, is the problem happening when you exceed in a trade, what you own resource transfers give you? If it wasn't for the fact that you want to build up a surplus of fuel, I might consider this to be a very strange optimization.

Let's go back to pre-1.6. UK "NEEDS" that 23 oil...but if you start to trade for oil at a higher value than your transfers, it might stop your transfers to save your convoys. Pre-1.6, no reason whatsoever to have more oil than you needed for production. Anyways, that's my current theory.

More testing needed to further isolate this and try to figure out how/why its happening. FRA and JAP (well, once JAP is at war and takes DEI) should be looked at because they too have resource (both oil and non-oil) transfers.