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Hello, fellow forumites.

I want to start a modest mod project, and I need some help in my preliminar research.

I want to pick up, in each vanilla De Jure Empire or area, the 10-20 most important cities, those which were the most populous and properous from the Middle Ages to our day.

These are the areas I have more or less divided the map on. I'd want to allocate more or less 20 cities in each one. Wil be updating a list under each region, but if you have info about a particular area, and want to contribute some names, that would be greatly appreciated!

Areas:

Abyssinia and Mali:

North Africa:

Arabia, Syria and Anatolia:

Balkans:

Italy:

Iberia:

France (de jure area):

Holy Roman Empire (de jure area):

"Carpathia":

British Isles:

Scandinavia:

Poland, Baltic area:

Russia (including Belarus and Ukranie, but not the steppes):

Persia:

The Rajastan:
 

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Uppsala, Aarhus and Lund could probably be counted among the important Scandinavian cities.
 

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Zadar (Zara) and Dubrovnik (Ragusa), definetly in the Balkans (Croatia area to be exact), and maybe Split too.
Also there is Consantinople of course.
 

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Krakow, Vilnius, Danzig, Riga and Kaunas are the most obvious choices for Poland/Baltic area. I'd also list Warsaw, but it became an actual city long after the Middle Ages were done.
 

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Riga was not there before 1201.
Although "Semigallian Port" was on other side of Daugava before, possibly same thing as Duna city from sagas.
Daugmale hillfort if archeologically.
 

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In Russia you have Novgorod, Kiev, Vladimir-Suzdal, Moscow in the lategame, Pskov, possibly Polotsk (considering it was very much separate from everybody else in Russia).
 

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Thanks for the imput, and please, keep it coming!

About cities not existing before a certain date, or being unimportant, I can work around that.

My purpose is that each province represent the mayor city in the area covered by the province. So as an example, I'll have a province covering both the are of Madrid and Toledo (in Iberia) and change the name from Toledo to Madrid via an event. (Warzaw and Rigo could be handled similarly).
 

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Dyrrachion/Durrës and Krujë were the most important cities in Albania at the time, though I think Dyrrachion was more important.
 

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France is definitely Paris.

Britain, at different periods you could argue Winchester, York, or London. Stirling and Edinburgh were also influential in Scotland near the end of the CK2 timeline.
 

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I'm not sure, but it's still Albania's biggest port, and also just next to Tirana, the capital of Albania today.
Ohrid or Skopje could be used to cover Vardar Macedonia; Niš/Naissus was of import, too; Belgrade became an important fortress very late in the timeframe and before that there weren't really that many important settlements nearby except Syrmium.
 

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France is definitely Paris.

Britain, at different periods you could argue Winchester, York, or London. Stirling and Edinburgh were also influential in Scotland near the end of the CK2 timeline.

Once you get to the end of the CK2 timeline none of those cities were important compared to London. Also, the seat of the house of York was never actually York. It was Fotheringhay, which is in the Midlands.

Really, London was the be all and end all for important cities in the British Isles.

EDIT: You're right, of course, York was important near the beginning of the time period (867 to 1066)
 

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What i say is based on personal knowledge, I have no history degree, so I might be wrong, but pls keep your calm if correcting me.
Areas:

Abyssinia and Mali:
Abyssinia really depends, Aksum for very early period, but then again ethiopia was always rather tribal during ck2 phase and also past it, the important cities were the cities of muslim sultanates as well they were coastal except for harer, which was actually the biggest medieval city of that region. The Nubian cities of that time are not rly significant.
Mali on the other hand it is mostly timbuktu, koumbi saleh was also big at some points and well the gold cities were the cities of control and they lead to power, but to my understanding they were not as big as the other 2.

North Africa:Tunis and Fes were the 2 biggest cities during the time of ck2, they were rather big cities for that time with 100000 citizens, Tlemcen was also rather big, besides those there was marrakech, meknes and sijilmassa, but not on the level of the previous said. Cities like algiers or oran were not that big and libya was kinda in decline already before maghreb got into it, but then again libyan cities might still been of some size at that point, but i doubt it.

Arabia, Syria and Anatolia:
In case of arabia yemen was the most densely population and so cities like aden, sana, ibb were in comparison to other arabian cities bigger, mekka was big as religious center, while suhar and muscat were big as centers of trade. The capitals of dynasties in yemen were probably the biggest at most times as the region was by far the most fertile.
Syria had Damascus, Aleppo, Homs and Hama, Damascus was probably the biggest at that time, jerusalem was also there, but i doubt that big.
Anatolia had Nicaea, Sivas, Kayseri, Konya and Trebizond, Trebizond was probably big for the longest time, while konya was probably the biggest at most times in challenge with coastal byzantine cities, but here my knowledge leaves me.

Balkans:
I guess this includes thrace, so well constantinople was the biggest, then we got sofia and thessaloniki(not sure on this), ohrid was big in late middle ages, same for prizren, nis was fought over a lot and belgrade seemed important as control point.

Italy:
There is rome, venice, naples, palermo, messina, syracuse, genoa, florence, pisa, verona, milano and bologna which probably were all rather big, rome was never the biggest, but always big, venice was also never biggest not during ck2 time or after, naples was biggest past ck2 time and maybe even during end of it, palermo might been biggest for a short time during unified kingdom of sicily, but was then overshadowed by messina in sicily, syracuse was rather big at start of ck2 time and might even been biggest there as others had yet to grow, genoa was never rly biggest, same for florence or pisa, verona, milano was not big enough during ck2 time as it was in contension with other lombardians, bologna i named here because not many know it was one of the bigger cities during ck2 time in italy.

Iberia:
Cordoba was probably the biggest city Iberia ever had during medieval times and according to some biggest in world for some time, but i doubt it, it was biggest in europe though. Granada was biggest past fall of cordoba for whole ck2 time, other big cities were lisboa, sevilla, toledo (more a symbolic city), valencia, barcelona, alicante and roussilon, but granada was rly bigger than rest of them past cordoba during ck2 and even cordoba was still bigger than them.

France (de jure area):
Paris was the biggest for whole ck2 phase, past that comes rouen, toulouse and montpellier, south france was more urbanized and so also had bigger cities, bordeaux, lyon and the cities in provence were the next level to that.

Holy Roman Empire (de jure area):
The biggest city was cologne followed by cities like gent, brugge, mechelen and then regensburg for a big part of ck2 phase. Prague was biggest at end of ck2 phase, lübeck, hamburg and bremen at one point were racing behind that, worms, speyer, trier were big during that time aswell as mainz, the center of power of hre was in that region for all of ck2, brunswick was the biggest city in north germany, while south had augsburg, ulm, nürnberg (the biggest in south at end of ck2) and munich, but i think i am talking too much now and yes wien also existed.

"Carpathia":
Esztergom was biggest pre mongols, kosice and budapest past them, ragusa was also big, maybe bigger than those 2.

British Isles:
I honestly dont know, london was there, york also, but cities in east england on coast might been the biggest.

Scandinavia:
Lund and bergenhus directly in scandinavia, but the biggest were probably in schleswig like ribe and one i dont get in my mind right now.

Poland, Baltic area:
Krakow, breslau, danzig existed at time already, but the center of poland was in greater poland, so the biggest city was probably there, breslau was biggest city when mongols came and past it till krakow and danzig passed it past ck2, baltic was well tribal.

Russia (including Belarus and Ukranie, but not the steppes):
Kiev was biggest, novgorod was big, same for smolensk, suzdal and chernigov, moskov was insignificant at that time and even past mongols overshadowed by tver till russia foundation.
U said no steppes but at begin of ck2 that region probably contained biggest city (khazaria) and later sarai was biggest under mongols for sure, but probably not so big as wikipedia says, astrakhan was also not to shabby.

Persia:
Baghdad was the biggest city and the biggest city in the world for most of ck2, samarra was big at short times, kirkuk and mosul were big.
Persia itself had Isfahan, shiraz and the biggest at start of ck2 was probably a city in khuzestan like ahvaz, tabriz was biggest in north persia past mongols.
The east contained merv, herat, urgench, samarkand, bukhara and kabul, all rather big cities at that time and center of science of world pre mongols.

The Rajastan:U will need someone else for this region.

This was getting rly exhausting towards end and well i might be wrong in some cases, especially towards end, I think I will look over this again later, but I hope I helped in some way.
 

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It's kinda funny that HRE and Italy are seperate. I know I know, its about de-jure, but still.

HRE:
Cologne, Trier and Bremen were important Archbishoprics. With Bremen even controlling most of the Scandinavian and Baltic bishops for a lot of the game's timeframe.
Magdeburg, Prague, Aachen, Braunschweig and Nürnberg were important inland trade cities.
Aachen was also important because most Emperors (starting with Charlemagne) were crowned there.
Hamburg and Lübeck only became important when the Hanseatic League was formed in the 13th century.

Magdeburg was especially important since it's town laws became the basis for most towns in Central and Eastern Europe during the Middle Ages.

I probably missed alot of cities. The HRE was the biggest realm in Europe afterall.
 

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Well, if we go by cities that rose to prominance in the later game then the Three Capitals of Oslo, Copenhagen and Stockholm would also be important.
 

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For the Holy Roman Empire, the best choices are probably Cologne (as biggest medieval German city), Lübeck (as informal leader of the Hanse), Augsburg (home to the Fugger merchant house), Prague (long time residence of the Bohemian Emperors), Magdeburg, Mainz and Trier (as residences of the archbishops electors), Bremen and Hamburg (as other important members of the Hanse), Aix-la-Chapelle, Frankfurt am Main, Nuremberg, Vienna, Speyer, Ulm, Worms, Basel, Bern, Straßburg, Zürich, Rotterdam, Salzburg.