History of the Hungarian Empire

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You seem to be having a lot of fun with your game, the writtign style is good as well. You know, sometimes it s more fun to play a game where you reach a "glory age"(deffiantly your Hungary at its height of power) and then summers internal revolts and everything which drags it back down. Hell, it happened enough time in RL, and can be much more fun to read about than "And then I took over Poland, then Russia, then Germany" type of AARs.

 

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Originally posted by DanielMcCollum
You seem to be having a lot of fun with your game, the writtign style is good as well. You know, sometimes it s more fun to play a game where you reach a "glory age"(deffiantly your Hungary at its height of power) and then summers internal revolts and everything which drags it back down. Hell, it happened enough time in RL, and can be much more fun to read about than "And then I took over Poland, then Russia, then Germany" type of AARs.

i've had a few comments saying they enjoy reading about my rise and fall, and that's what's kept me going at it when i was tempted to just say "screw it" and junk the game. i'm learning a painful lesson in this game, but it's still not over yet. i still got over 200 years to make a comeback. my normal playing style is to go defensive recluse and concentrate on economy, so the whole warmonger thing i did in the early game was not really my style, and now it's showing. the most important thing i've learned: expand only where you can defend later....

 

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The Time of Troubles

By all signs, the conclusion of the Austro-Hungarian war should, very well, have catipulted Hungary even higher into the vaults of European power. The kingdom who possessed Steirmark, a provience who's economy centered around the mining of gold, had set about a chain reaction which had deciamted Austria causing them to loose the duchies of Helvettia and Baden to revolt, and had become firmly the most powerful state in Eastern Europe.

However, perhaps it was this very power, which nearly brought the Hungarian Kingdom to ruin during the darks years which followed. For it was that power which turned the greedy eyes of the other kings upon Hungary and it was this power which caused so many rebels of other nations to rebell as a last ditched attempt to over throw Magyar domination.

The situation was only made worse by the foolishness of King Ulaszlo II who, having delegated athority to the duchies, now sat in his capital blissfully unaware of his duties. In the last years of his reign the King followed his vassal Poland into war with several of the German states and Moscovy. Unfortuantly Hungary had dynastic ties with many of these nations, which where broken by the war, and plummeted the national and international prestige of the monarchy.

It also gave the Pope, who was beginning to prove himself a formiable foe of Hungarian expansion, ordered his priests to speak out against the Monarchy which further destroyed the stability of the realm. This wave of Obscurasion would not stop until it had been proven to the Pope that attackign the monarchy in that fasion was unprofitable and showed little chance of success..

Rebellion followed rebellion, and war followed war. In 1520 the Nordic state of Denmark declared war upon the Eastern power and began a fruitless struggle to take down Hungary. In exentuate the situation Ulaszlo II died in March of 1516 leaving his son Lajos II in power. Lajos proved to be an even more incompitnet administrater than his father and activly provoked the rebels by his high handed attitudes.

At the highest of the rebellions in 1522 all of the Duchy of Greece was under control by rebels who where in the process of declaring the existence of a Kingdom of Greece. Luckly the Greeks where acting independantly of one another and the Hungarians were able to send in troops and smash the rebels.

Elsewhere in the Kingdom they where less successful. Lajos himself took control of an army to supress the rebellion, however he proved no less compitent as a general than he did on the throne and was activly beaten by rebels, who he outnumbered by several times, in no less than five instances!

By 1523 the rebeles had exausted themselves, many of the peasents returned to the smoking ruins of their farms to find their families dead or starving due to Royal or rebel armies which marched through the region. Greeks lost much of their independance, but the state remaned suprisingly decentralized. The country began the long, painful, process of returninging to stabiltiy and wealth.

 

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that sounds almost exactly like what happened to me. you've probably already read about my downfall that started exactly like yours. everyone DOW'ed me all at once and then i got some bad random events and everything went to hell. i'm making a slow comeback though, nibbling off a province here and there from poland and re-annexing transylvania.

 

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I need to take down Seibenburg asap, I have about 4 years before the Death of Lajos II event comes into play and I can't stand to loose 4 stability or any provinces right now. and so, screw the diplomatic concequences, they need to DIE!

Luckly I was only declared war upon by a few people so things weren't to bad, I jsut wodner about SUper Rebels who can defeat armeis 5 tiems their size multiple times.

 

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Originally posted by DanielMcCollum
I jsut wodner about SUper Rebels who can defeat armeis 5 tiems their size multiple times.

LOL, I have had some bad experiences too with rebels. I never underestimate them and that is why I try to avoid them with religion balances and stability caution. I have found the best way to combat rebels is to crush them with massive armies, attack towards the end of the month and if they dont die in combat, the attrition will smite them good luck man

 

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Death of Lajos Event?

I don't remember getting the Death of Lajos II event. How does it happen?

For some reason it never happened: Can anyone tell me why I didn't get the options the two of you had?

The situation at the time for me was:

In August 1525:

I had a "tarnished reputation"
Alliance with Austria, Kleves and Cologne (I was the leader)

Marraiges to Bavaria, Genoa, Siena, Albania, Auvergne, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Kleves, Cologne, Navarra

Trade aggreemnts with: Too many to list, I did not know what they did at the time but everyone seemed happy to oblige


Naval: 2
Land: 3
Trade: 2 8518/20671 into 3
Infrastructure: 3 2053/19329 into 4



+3 stability
Not at war

I controlled my shield provinces plus Transylvania, Bosnia, Dalmatia, ragusa and Kosovo


Austria was a juggernaut with most of germany, flanders and Netherlands except for Kleves, Pomern, Cologne, Friesen, Mecklenburg, bohemia, Baden and Bavaria.

I remember this really pissed me off because I was trying to get Bohemia to be my vassal and failed several times.

Here is the log:

"August 29, 1526 : Austria had The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary . "
"August 29, 1526 : Bohemia went with Accept the Habsburgs as Elected Kings in The Death of King Lajos of "
"Bohemia. "
"August 29, 1526 : Austria entered a Royal Marriage with Bohemia."
"August 29, 1526 : Austria had The Habsburg Inheritance of Bohemia . "
"August 29, 1526 : Bohemia became Vassals of Austria."
"August 29, 1526 : Bohemia left the Military Alliance she had with Bavaria and Sweden."
"August 30, 1526 : János I Zápolya will now rule our glorious nation! "

This is when I knew I was going a-historical as Zapolya Janos was never a King of Hungary.

Interesting as well, I am playing another game as England and Bohemia did not join Austria in 1526 and is still seperate. However, Hungary was annexed.

 

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Seibenburg and Austria must both exist in order to get the event, and its a nasty one. I, honestly, want to get the non-Habsburg kings but without giving up three shield providences to do it and loosing 4 stability(if someone could pelase tell me whey I went all out innovative. It must have been for the technology but I forgot about stability cost). To, damn everything else, Seibenburg must die!!!

 

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i had siebenbergen rebel and redeclare their independence when my gov't fell. that, plus bohemia had been annexed by poland.

i too went with the habsburgs because i didn't want to lose 3 provinces to austria. so i just took the stab hit and lost one province to siebenbergen. surprisingly i only had two rebellions during the whole 3 years of increased revolt risk. after the dark years and the earlier civil war, that was a godsend.

 

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Well I know its going to kill me diplomatically with the nations of Europe, but I have good enough relations with most that a little annexation won't really hurt me too much, and the prospect of allowing Seibenburg to keep on existing is frightening. When it takes me a good 3 to four years to get even one stability, I really can't afford to loose four or them. Also damned if i"m going to loose any territory at all and become anyone's vassal, expecially I power like Austria which is falling apart.

Next update will come durign the weekend. Only problem with my job is that I don't get to my computer except on the weekends. Of course the bright sides more than make up for it.

 

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To me it was no issue. Siebenburgen is actually the Erdely region of Hungary and an integral part of it. When I saw that it was not in the begining of the game, I made it my mission to annex it. During some strife in the late 1400's I lost it for a while but made it a priority to get it back (for emotional reasons). If there are any falalalala singing people of Hungary they live in Erdely (Transylvania) the heart of Hungarian folk culture.

I had no idea that annexing it prevents the nasty events you encountered in 1526.

On another note, is there anything more annoying than losing stability?

 

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Originally posted by Mad Magyar
To me it was no issue. Siebenburgen is actually the Erdely region of Hungary and an integral part of it. When I saw that it was not in the begining of the game, I made it my mission to annex it. During some strife in the late 1400's I lost it for a while but made it a priority to get it back (for emotional reasons). If there are any falalalala singing people of Hungary they live in Erdely (Transylvania) the heart of Hungarian folk culture.

I had no idea that annexing it prevents the nasty events you encountered in 1526.

On another note, is there anything more annoying than losing stability?

that, and all the random events that keep pushing your centralization slider back to decentral. i finally get it all the way to centralization and what happens? "failure to impose ordinances" stability -1.

still nowhere near as bad as that "nobles challenge king's right to rule" event that i got twice in 30 years, which ultimately led to my gov't collapse.

 

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I agree that the stability hit of 4 is hard, but do you have a CB against Siebenburgen and are you of the same religeon? You may gat a -3 stabiltity for decalring war against a non CB same religeon province.

I for one would take Siebenburgen even with the -3 hit. There are random events (Saint etc that may improve your Stability at a faster rate than the drip drip from your own economy) and you can start rebuilding now, rather than later.

Certainly in 107 (1419-1526) years you must be able to somehow annex Siebenburgen. It is a useful province as they are Magyar so they contribute men into your force pool and are a shield land so you gain fewer diplomatic penalties for annexing them.

Of course with Turks and Poles breathing down your neck, this may be easier said then done.

I will run a test with my 1525 save game and vassalise Siebenburgen just to see the event you mentioned.

 

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sibenbergen is already taken care of. they converted to protestant and our relations went south, so when i declared war on them i lost no stability since they were a shield province and different religion.

i wasn't going to lose 3 provinces to austria, so that's why i went the habsburg route. i figured i could always take transylvania back later... which i eventually did.

btw, i did diplo-annex siebenbergen, but when my gov't fell, they declared independence.

 

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I am getting confuesed with these two threads on Hungary. Is this not the thread with Lionel McCollum? I thought he had a problem where he was desperately trying to annex siebenburgen before the 1526 event. In your thread, we are past that point and you have admirably reestablished yourself, with a go slow approach.

Isn't Hungary Fun? Have you seen my AAR on Hungary?

 

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you're right. i went back and re-read the posts. the two of you having the same avatar confused me.

daniel took the opposite approach from me, going north instead of south.

and i'm reading your hungary aar right now.

 

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We have similar Avatars, mine is Helvetia (My birth Country) wereas MCCallum's is I believe either Poland or Lithuania. If Pushed I would say Poland.

Sveiks!

 

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Originally posted by Mad Magyar
We have similar Avatars, mine is Helvetia (My birth Country) wereas MCCallum's is I believe either Poland or Lithuania. If Pushed I would say Poland.

Sveiks!

you're right, it is poland. i recognize that shield stomping all over my country in my AAR.

 

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Yup, its Poland. You see, I'm from Central Wisconsin where everyone is either Polish or German(I'm both, and am also Irish as you can tell from my name ). So, I chose to do the Polish avatar in honor f my mother's family the Dombecks.

And, KoN, when ever you see the Poles marching across your boarder, just sit back with some beer and kilbasa and throw in your favorite Polka(I don't want her/ you can have her/ she's too fat for me, HEY)

*laughs*

 

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Originally posted by DanielMcCollum
Yup, its Poland. You see, I'm from Central Wisconsin where everyone is either Polish or German(I'm both, and am also Irish as you can tell from my name ). So, I chose to do the Polish avatar in honor f my mother's family the Dombecks.

And, KoN, when ever you see the Poles marching across your boarder, just sit back with some beer and kilbasa and throw in your favorite Polka(I don't want her/ you can have her/ she's too fat for me, HEY)

*laughs*

well, i'm scottish/irish/german myself, about as far from being hungarian (or polish) as you can get.

northern europeans, unite!