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i tried playing hungary once in EU1 and got steamrolled by the turks. good thing you went after them right away. that COT in byzantium will help keep your war effort going.

vassalizing poland is a good move, as it gives you a buffer on your northern borders against a potentially aggressive muscovy/russia. plus, it limits the amount of BB you would take for annexing a large neighbor.

as a large and powerful catholic nation you could consider becoming defender of the catholic faith and wage a crusade against north africa. with the turks gone, your main threat would most likely be the mamelukes, and later, persia (COT in istafan and several gold provinces, IIRC). or wait until the reformation and bring those wayward protestant germans back into the fold.
 

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Just play it the way you want to... your performance has been so wonderful so far...

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The War of Greek Annexation

By the turn of the century, the Kingdom of Hungary had gone from being a back water kingdom controlled by its neighbors, into one of the dominant players of European politics. For turning back the tide of the hateful Turk, they had garnered prestige that likes of which the Eastern European kings had never before seen.

However, despite this ascendency, the Kingdom was far from being invincible. To the East Lithuania continued to feud with its old rival Poland, and Muscovoy began to gather the other Russian states about her. The Ottoman Empire, just bushed from Europe, was begining to create a hemoragy within Anatolia and speading down into the Middle East. To the West, Austria lay nearly stillborn but still a state to be reconed with some time in the future, and Kings of the Il De France, unable to gain control over their native France, where beginning to spead into Germany and Italy in search of power.

It seemed vital at the time that Hungary must expand to the South to cut out any chance of attack from that dirrection, and then expand into the vital regions of Italy and Germany. One power stood dirrectly in the path of both plans of action: Venice.

The Venetian Republic, chastised over its defeat by Hungary nearly 80 years prior, had been reduced to a status of minority, having not expanded at all since the Veneto-Hungarian war. However, they still possessed a military of some size, and a navy far superior ot that fielded by Hungary or, for that matter, any other state in the region.

War came between the two powers in the early winter of 1494 when Hungary's vassil, Poland, declared war upon Prussia which drew Lithuania and Venice into the war. In a matter of weeks the entire region had become inflamed with battle.

At the prospect of war with Venice, Hungarian forces marched to the border and waited, unwilling to attack the city which was being guarded by over 50 thousand soldiers. However, once the Venetians began to amrch, the forces of Hugnary descended upon them, and defeated the armeis one at a time, and then descended upon Venice itself.

To the south, Hungarian troops took over where those of the Turks had failed, and lay seige to the island Cyclades, quickly subduing all but the capital city.

And so the situation remained for four years. The troops of Venice interupted the seige of the capital, only to be driven int othe sea once again several months later. By 1497 both Vencie and the Cyclades had fallen to Hungary, but peace was as elusive as before. In an effort to drive home a final peace the king commisioned the construction of a great fleet which would be able to land troops in the Venetian islands and totally occupy the country.

Sadly, such plans where wroght with failure. Although the Hungarian fleet would grow in size by 400 percent to an estiamted 12 ships at the time, the fleet of Venice was larger still and much more technologically advanced as well as better trained. In a fit of rage the King of Hungary was said to have pounded on his desk and screamed that "They won't let us leave port, those fools won't let us win, damn them, damn them strait to hell", or so it is written by the Hungarian historian Peter of Pest.

In the end, however, the betterly equipt and trained Hungarian military was able to prevail and, after numberous defeats on land, and a few on sea, the Doge of Venice signed a humilating peace which gave Hungary the Cyclades as well as several hundred ducets in reperations. The war, for Hugnary, had coem to an end.

And yet all was not well. War exaugstion, mixed with cultural anomostities in the multi-cultural kingdom where beginning to tear it apart. Rebel armies where formed in Ragusa, Jedzen, Helles, Bulgaria and more. Ulászló II signed the historical "Edict of Seperation" where as he created several 'Duchies' under his dirrect control which would each be govorned by their own law codes as well as the local lagnauge. Hungary would, of course, remain at the top of the pile, but this subdivision allowed for just enough local autonomy to quell rebellions. These ducies where those of Greece, Slavia, and Rumania.
 

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i see your empire is bigger than mine. :p

i started a game as hungary last night and am doing an AAR. i only have the first year done but hope to get another installment up soon.

i'll definately have to watch this one and take some notes on how to run my own hungarian empire.
 

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The Time of Unrest

The Reign of Ulászló II has often been remembered in hsitory as one of unrest and stagnation. This is partially unfair for, although Ulászló was unable to capitalize upon the great conquests of his precessors, he did make several important decisions which have greatly impacted the whole of Hungarian history.

However, anyone who looks at this reign must admit that it was a time of unease in Hungary. Wether this is the fault of the king or not is not something which is easily determined. Unrest had been growing in the country ever since the expansions of the 15th Century which had turned Hungary into, what can only be considered, a Balkan Empire. The introduction of many nationalities into the Magyar nation was stressing the bounds of law which were meant to hold the kingdom together.

To make matters worse, in other parts of the world, the situation was quickly turning dire as well. Austria, a long time expected foe of Hungary was experiencing growing pains following its annexation of Baden and Helvetia. Bohemia had recently declared war and pheasent revolts sprung up all over the country. This would not have been negative, had it not created a far to tempting situation for any king to pass up. Ulászló II declared war.

From the start the war was a mismanaged affair. The hungarian armies, hot off of their victory over Venice several years hence, had yet to fully recover. Also the fact the Ulaszlo would we forced to break a royal marriege with the Habburgs sent Catholic preists all throughotu the countryside preaching against the "unholy act" and creating chaos. Perhapse the largest problem was the king's own ambitions. He sincerely hoped to decimate Austria, take Steirmark Tyrol all of Helvettia and then turn South and finally have the door into Italy which he so yearned for.

Despite these problems, the situation would not have turned so chaotic had it not been for a Papal decleration of war in 1501. The Pope had long grown suspisious of his Eastern ally-in-faith. The openmindedness of HUngarian society and open acceptance of the Orthodox had left a bad taste in his mouth, and it was no longer a secret that the Kingdom had plans to dominate Italy as well as the Balkans. Clearly, from his view, something needed to be done, and fast.

The Papal decleration fo war caught Ulaszlo completely by suprise and with few armeis in the field that could deal with the sitation. The Magyar Regiment was holding down the Balkans against Grecian rebels and the Royal Magyar Army was fightign agaisnt the Habsburgs in Austria. Papal forces were able to land forces all along the Dalmatian coast.

By this time Austria was turnin into a bloodbath as atrician and geurilla fighting cut through them giht of the Hungarian army, and the Poles where forced to take commany over the seige of Tyrol. ALthough Vienna and Steirmarch where in Hungarian hands, the greedy king wanted more, to utterly decimate his rival once and for all.

Luckly for Hungary the naval war was progressing better than the land, and the small Hungarian fleet was able to instill crushing defeats upon that of the Papacy, effectivly cutting off supplies and leavign them to die. The Pope had no choice but to sue for peace, gladly giving 225,000 ducuts in exchange for it.

By 1506 the Austrians had also been worn down, but so had Hungary. The armies which had conquered the Balkans and defeated the Turk were now a bleeding, battered shell fo their former self. When Poland abandoned the King for peace with Austria and rebels where defeating any army which came against them in Greece and Romania, it became evident that the only choice was an honroable peace. Later that year Ulászló II signed peace with AUstria while gaining Steirmarch for his efforts. Although an imporant providence, the war did not live up to the King's high ambitions and would be a soruce of shame for the remainder of his life.
 

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Nice, Daniel. Things don't always go as planned and the way you describe it gives a great sense of a king's hopes being dashed by bitter misfortune and the surprising "betrayal" of the Pope. Though you didn't get what you had hoped, you'll know even better for next time. I guess you'd better re-assemble the masses...
 

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Thanks Mr. T, yah things don't always go according to plan, and sometimes weird thigns just go wrong to. How can you march an army of 23 into the Morea with 5 rebels in it, and your arm looses 4 times? It happened :)

Its time to rebuild my army and plan on a manner of attack. Lithuania is beign desciamted by Moscow, and I may choose to annex Poland soon if it looks as if the merger with Lithuania won't gain them much, and evne put them in danger. I also want to destroy Seibenburg(which, along with Wallacia creates this island of Romania in a sea of Hungary which is jsut unrealistic) so I don't ahve the nasty event about choosing between the two dynasties(I want to keep the Seibenburgen dynasty and not the Habsburgs, but I don't want to loose my western flank to Austria either).
 

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I am surprised at your spunk. I would never attack Austria from Hungary without a CB and never if I have a royal marraige.

I hate losing Stability because, as the game wears on, it takes longer and longer to get back. While trying to get it back, you don't have funds to build armies, also, with an anemic 18 men at you disposal in the 1400's and early 1500's, it is hard to compete militarily with your neighbours without lots of cash to buy mercs.

I can't recall ever decalring war on Poland, Austria or Turkey in the 400 years I played, though I fought them frequently.

I am enjoying your thread as well as the other player's on Hungary. Now I am certain I must post an AAR on my story.
Keeping peace becomes quite troublesome once the reformation occurs. In the danubia/balkans you have: Catholic, Orthodox, Sunni, Reformed and Protestant. Converting them is expensive, risky and takes long. I still can't believe they make Magyar a reformed province. It just didn't happen Historically.

I would fight the battles in the balkans while you can, keeping the peace at anything less than +3 stability after your cultural/religeous mosaic occurs after about 1540 will start revolts spreading faster than smallpox spreads from a Conquistador. You will not be able to sustain even +2 war exhaustion.

The sad story is, 5 Magyar, 2 Slovak provinces for body count, ever in the game!

The balkans are predominantly Orthodox with some Catholic, but you could win some converted Sunni provinces depending on who converted.

This means you will have all 5 religions present in you empire and only 7 states that offer no penalty for Culture.

This is why later in the game, you can't afford to DW anyone without CB and other religion, there are enough random events that bring you stability down.

Also, a referesher of who your current allies are and who are vassals would help jog my memory. Finally, how are you tech wise vs. your neighbours (Milary, Navy, Trade, Infra)

Finally, how do you get those cool shields on your posts?
 

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Originally posted by Mad Magyar
Finally, how do you get those cool shields on your posts?
Go to your user CP (tab at top of screen) and select the "edit options" tab. At the bottom of that you'll find "Avatar"...click on "change avatar" and you'll find pages and pages of choices.
 

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mad magyar and i were just discussing this same thing yesterday. one of the problems with hungary is that you only have two "official" state cultures while your core provinces contain about 5 different cultures (maygar and slovak, but also german, czech, and slavonic). anything below about +2 stability and revolts become a major problem. i've had to deal with some really nasty rebellions so far, and in fact i had my government collapse last night due to rebels and war exhaustion.

which brings me to my other point. expansion is fine, but it's best not to expand too fast. those little one-province minors in the balkans are tempting (especially since if you don't take them, the ottomans will), but annex a few of those and it's rebels, rebels everywhere. i probably should have stopped warring once i got all of my core provinces, but the temptation to attack the ottoman empire was just too great.

i haven't gotten to the reformation yet, but i'm not really looking forward to having half my provinces go reformed or protestant. (sort of) luckily for me i lost my only orthodox provinces (siebenbergen and serbia) to revolt, so right now everyone is catholic. but it won't last much longer....
 

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My suggestion to both of you is to Convert the Protestants and the reformed states fast. You can survice with Magyar as reformed because you get -2 for capital province and -1 for the manufactury (No doubt you have built a Fine arts center here)

this means you can run, as things progress with either stability loss of war exhaustion.

Catholic +2
Orthodox +2
Reformed 0
Sunni -5
Protestant -5

I suggest refraining from building a Bailiff on any Sunni land you acquire so that you can leave the leavers on it a little lower

In a crunch "War exhaust plus stabilty" situation, Just keep the catholic at +5 and reformed (Since Magyar accounts for 1/3 of your men) at 3 lower. Your other states may go into perpetual revolt. Consider vassalising them rather than losing them to revolt. At least you can eventually reannex a vassal. Consider this a tactical vassal. Also, never decaler war unless at +3. In fact, never declare war, they will declare war on you anyway, let them lose the stability (unfortunatly TYurkey won't since she has perpetual CB and a differen religeon, but if you arrange marraiges with poland and Austria, it could hurt them hard. I for one see no benefit from taking polish land. it is worthless and just gives a CB anyway. Once the four Austrian shield lands are back in Austrian hands (Pressburg, Oldenburg, Krain? and Istria?) I am not sure if Krain and Istria a Austria Shield lands. then even they relax a bit on the attacks.

Let me tell you now, an event occurs for Hungary that really pissed me off, I took the honourable but less benefitial route. I am curious to see how you two handle it.

....who would have thought Hungary would be this much fun.
3 major powers breathing down your neck, land locked, multi cultural, multi religeous, poor shield lands, poor cultural base and guys named Battyanyi leading your troups.
 

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Let me tell you now, an event occurs for Hungary that really pissed me off, I took the honourable but less benefitial route. I am curious to see how you two handle it.

both you and misterT have got me curious now, damn you. :p i'll have to find out when i get home today.

and i think istria and krain are austrian provinces. i've already lost carpathia to poland and haven't decided yet whether i want it back.
 

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It sounds like those badboy wars and ethnic cleansing rebellions are working quite nicely to put a stick in your chariot wheel:D

Nice work Daniel, if it wasnt for you beating up Venice I might continue reading this bloody AAR:p j/k

Great stuff fellow cheesehead, talk to you later
 

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poor laz. in both of our games, he spends the rest of his reign in shame.
 

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I know, I feel kind of bad for him. Although I guess the Ulaszlo of my game would feel slightly better about his realm than yours, its only becuase mine had a few more resources, I fear. I think next tiem I paly Hungary I need to use the player made events though, it would make things fore interesting.
 

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Originally posted by DanielMcCollum
I know, I feel kind of bad for him. Although I guess the Ulaszlo of my game would feel slightly better about his realm than yours, its only becuase mine had a few more resources, I fear. I think next tiem I paly Hungary I need to use the player made events though, it would make things fore interesting.

which version are you playing? i'm using the EEP, hence why i've gotten two of those "nobles challenge king's right to rule" events. that's a nasty one, let me tell you.
 

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I'm just playing strait 1.04, not the EEP although I think that it would be more intersting with those events added.
 

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Originally posted by DanielMcCollum
I'm just playing strait 1.04, not the EEP although I think that it would be more intersting with those events added.

"interesting" definately is one word that can be used to describe it. as i said in my latest AAR update, i'm kind of getting my ass kicked around right now and loving it.