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Trmdrg

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Feb 19, 2015
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The new version: http://www.mediafire.com/file/rvw93ynhiktk6ni/History_of_Rome.zip/file (reuploaded with quick fix).

New countries: Qedar/Cedar (Arabian tribal kingdom between the Nabataeans and Babylonia, at the moment, just a victim for the Nabataeans), Ifugao (the community of rice-farmers on the Luzon island in the Philippines (sic.). Maybe, we should delete Ifugao (with Nok and Sao African cultures as not civilizations of a full value), later I'll add several neighbours for Ifugao (like the Khmers- Funan) and it will be not lonely. New events for Sparta (the reforms of Cleomenes III), Roma, Veneti Adriatici, Dian, Bosporus, Bithynia, Etrusci, Nabatea, Carthago. New random and provincespec events. Many, many fixes in the texts and scripts of the events. All countries were divided into three technological groups: civilisation, barbarism and ferity (at now only Nok, Sao and Ifugao are in ferity techgroup). Much more monarchs and leaders. Much more pictures and descriptions. Minor fixes and additions here and there. Now the Romans and the Italics, the Egyptians and several eastern cultures have unique sprites for their buildings (from Historia Antiqua and Roma Universalis). Many colonynames, armynames, navynames were added. Many, many new leadernames. All leadernames (and tags for them) were fixed: there were too many incorrect names from my "ancestors" in modding. For example, almost all Germanic names there were medieval, not the antique ones. However, I'm not sure in the Chinese, Koreanic and Viet names (I'm not an orientologist). All the map have been completely divided on the proper continents and regions, but not the proper areas: if you see the geographical area Italia in a very strange place — that's the province I didn't work on with and most likely without proper parametres and cityname.

The new scenario (sic.) — the Peloponnesian War ("431 ACN — Bellum Peloponnesiacum"). It is a short scenario (starts in 323 and ends in 25 april 350 AUC) with 84 countries (at now, against 267 in the main scenario). It's still under development, but you already can see what it will be. 15 new countries for the new scenario: Aradus (the Phoenicians, can be established also in the main scenario), Cercinitis, Chedi (Mahajanapada in India, can be established in the main scenario until 454 AUC), Cilicia (can be established also in the main scenario), Corcyra, Croton, Cumae, Lyncestis (the Epirotic tribe and minor kingdom in the west Macedonia), Melos, Mudraya (the Achaemenid satrapy of Egypt), Sidon (the Phoenicians, can be established in the main scenario), Sindica (probably the Maeotians), Surasena (Mahajanapada in India, can be established in the main scenario until 454 AUC), Tegea (can be established in the main scenario), Xshatsa (the Achaemenid Empire itself). 208 new events have been written for the new scenario, but it is only a skeleton, a base for the future work (but the scenario is already playable). It should be a short but intensive scenario with a lot of action. The aim is to get as much victory points as possible. There are possibilities to receive VPs via events by doing some hidden (un)historical missions, like successful siege of Athenae for Sparta, Boeotia or Corinthus, conquest of Brutium for the Lucani, uniting of Cyprus by Salamis or Paphus, controlling the whole Sicilia for Carthago or Syracusae, rule over Epidamnos (Taulantia province) for Corinthus, rule over or annihilation of Avanti for Magadha (and vice versa), rule over Latium for the Etrusci, etc.

Of course, primarily I'll work on the main campaign. I should make the main campaign more stable and less linear. With fewer severe events, which take provinces from the player's country and give to other country for historical purposes.
 
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Scar_Face

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Are the Rong culture in this game supposed to represent the yuezhi? im confused as to chinese ethnography/geography

edit: in general im confused. the rong from history seem to be all over the place, primarily where they are located in ftg but also in hebei and overlapping with the beidi territories in the game, which themselves also seem to have extended all over northern china including overlapping with the rong majority regions in the game.
 
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Trmdrg

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Feb 19, 2015
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Are the Rong culture in this game supposed to represent the yuezhi? im confused as to chinese ethnography/geography

edit: in general im confused. the rong from history seem to be all over the place, primarily where they are located in ftg but also in hebei and overlapping with the beidi territories in the game, which themselves also seem to have extended all over northern china including overlapping with the rong majority regions in the game.

This question should be adressed not to me, but to the authors of the very first versions of the mod. I made only few changes in the cultures of that region (the Ordos loop). I think that Rong culture should be deleted and its lands shoud be divided between the Xiongnu and Qiang cultures (and Scythian?). The Rong are considered to be members of the Tibeto-Burman branch of the Sino-Tibetan languages and ancestors of the Qiang, but we already have the Qiang culture. Anyway, the Rong is just a common word for different western barbarians, if I'm not wrong. But if we delete Rong culture, what culture should be the primary culture of Yiqu state? (it doesn't exist in the current verison of the mod, but I'll create this kingdom soon).
I think that the Yuezhi should be represented by the Scythian culture.

P. S. I'll upload the new version of the mod soon. Many, many changes and improvements. I'm still alive.
 
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Scar_Face

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This question should be adressed not to me, but to the authors of the very first versions of the mod. I made only few changes in the cultures of that region (the Ordos loop). I think that Rong culture should be deleted and its lands shoud be divided between the Xiongnu and Qiang cultures (and Scythian?). The Rong are considered to be members of the Tibeto-Burman branch of the Sino-Tibetan languages and ancestors of the Qiang, but we already have the Qiang culture. Anyway, the Rong is just a common word for different western barbarians, if I'm not wrong. But if we delete Rong culture, what culture should be the primary culture of Yiqu state? (it doesn't exist in the current verison of the mod, but I'll create this kingdom soon).
I think that the Yuezhi should be represented by the Scythian culture.

P. S. I'll upload the new version of the mod soon. Many, many changes and improvements. I'm still alive.
looking forward to any new updates ^_^

edit: i realized if you wanted to create a semblance of religious disunity in paganism as the game progresses you could create mystery religions which are subsets of graeco-roman in the religious db, meaning each cult you create: cybele, cult of the emperor etc, would not be convertable back its mainstream state variant. consequently you could add in events if rome controls x province that it will convert to a mystery religion which would be a more or less unsolvable problem until the rise of christianity.
 
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Trmdrg

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Feb 19, 2015
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Current version: http://www.mediafire.com/file/kd6jkqtqid5cmdn/History_of_Rome.zip/file

New countries: Moscha (Muscat), Yiqu (Rong kingdom to the north-west of Qin; no more Rong culture all-over Asia, only in the Ordos region), Triballi (a Thracian tribe), Viteliu (Italia, the federation of the Italic tribes agaist Roma during the Social War ( 91— 87 BC)). New events for Roma, Armenia, Aegyptus, Caucasian Iberia, Scythia, Shu, Yiqu, Qin, Qi, Ba, Pergamum. New random and provincespec events. Many fixes in the texts and scripts of the events. The Olympic events were prolonged up to the 205th Olympic Games (794 AUC, 41 AD). Olympic winners now get 2 victory points as do the Olympic host (Elis province). More monarchs and leaders, colony-, army-, navy- and leadernames,.. More pictures and descriptions. Minor fixes and historical additions here and there, from the provinces (for example, all provinces and cities in China were revised), cultures,.. to the specific features of the states.

The Peloponnesian War short scenario ("431 ACN — Bellum Peloponnesiacum"):
New countries: Koinon ton Khalkideon (Chalcidian League), Amisos (Pontic polis) and Kemet (the native dynasties of the ancient Aegyptus, the country appeares in the scenario via events or revolts). More already existing countries have been placed on the map of this short scenario (even in India and China). 171 new events (379 in total). New monarchs and leaders (including famous Alcibiades and Lysander). Really take a look at China in this scenario, I have used many Chinese historical sources trying to represent in the game the situation in China of that period. I gave much more income and manpower to the Chinese provinces to help the states there use historical armies of hundreds of thousands. Maybe it is still not enough. Even Achaemenid Persia with its great income doesn't build such huge armies for some reason. Maybe AI doesn't build monstrous armies under any conditions.

Here in the archive you can also find the new scenario "89 ACN — Bella Mithridatica", but it is only the beginning of the work on the new grand scenario, it's not playable now. Rather, the scenario is playable, but it has now only 27 countries. I upload such raw scenario just because I have a terminal illness IRL, so I upload everything. (I'll continue my work).

Do you think that it is good to have so many different cultures in the game, or should we decrease the number of cultures? For example, Balearic may become Iberian, Sardic — Ligurian or Iberian, Palmyrene — Syriac, Epirotic — Hellenic...

looking forward to any new updates ^_^

edit: i realized if you wanted to create a semblance of religious disunity in paganism as the game progresses you could create mystery religions which are subsets of graeco-roman in the religious db, meaning each cult you create: cybele, cult of the emperor etc, would not be convertable back its mainstream state variant. consequently you could add in events if rome controls x province that it will convert to a mystery religion which would be a more or less unsolvable problem until the rise of christianity.

Very interesting comception. Of course we should represent them somehow, but I'm not sure that inconvertibility of such cults is a right decision. But this is a very interesting path. Along with some disunity in paganism of that epoch there was no hostility between pagan cults. At least on such a large scale as it was between monotheistic religions later. Pagan cults were tolerant to each other with rare exceptions. But maybe not when we speak about mystic cults of the late Antiquity, not about classical paganism. So, we should try your concept, I think. I would have already created new religions (not only mystic cults, but, for example, Assyro-Babylonian religion), but I don't have correct icons for them. I'm not an artist. I really need an artist to create new shields, flags, icons,.. And I also need a hero, who can modify our Ptolemaic map: several provinces need to be split. Not to mention many mistakes in provincenames on the map.

Thank you for your reply. It is very important for me. You can always share your opinion or suggest any changes and additions here or via private messages.

As usual sorry for my bad English.

Update (1.12.2020): I have just reuploaded the archive with several fixes and additions.
 
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Trmdrg

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Feb 19, 2015
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The new version: https://www.mediafire.com/file/u96whwf11h67mfv/History_of_Roma.zip/file

The new countries: Scordisci (Celtic tribe around Singidunum; in the main scenario the country appears in 474 AUC), Axum (Aksem or, before 400 BC, D'mt, Da'amat; the kingdom in Aethiopia on the shore of the Mare Arabicum), Characene (Kharakene, the kingdom around Charax Spasinu, thriving port on the shore of the Mare Persicum). New events for Axum, Scordisci, Epirus, Roma, Dardani. New random and provincespec events. The events that enables buddhism (in 226 AUC; for future more ancient scenarios, in the current ones buddhism has already emerged) and christianity (in 783 AUC). The new goods: bitumen (asphaltum), pottery (and glass), honey (and wax). Prices of the goods were lowered. Country with judaism or christianity religion can claim itself the defender of faith. Many fixes in the texts and scripts of the events. I have corrected the names of several countries. More monarchs and leaders, colony-, army-, navy- and leadernames,.. More pictures and descriptions. There are too many minor fixes and historical additions here and there.

The Peloponnesian War short scenario ("431 ACN — Bellum Peloponnesiacum"):
36 new events (415 in total). Balancing. Minor addings.

Grand scenario "89 ACN — Bella Mithridatica":
Under development. Much more countries have been included. It is even somewhat playable now.

My questions to you:
  1. If you play the "431 ACN — Bellum Peloponnesiacum" scenario as Massalia, after one month you can see that your income in Massalia center of the trade (where you is a monopolist) is not an income but loss, lol. As it is in your budget. How can it be?
  2. There are no possibilities for us to edit more deep mechanisms of the game than that of the defines.txt? For example, mechanism of the war exhaustion.
  3. What do you think about the events-rewards giving you victory points for solving historical problems? The system that we have in "431 ACN — Bellum Peloponnesiacum". I mean events that gives VPs for (for example) victory in the Peloponnesian War, control over the whole Sikilia, returning of the lands of the ancestors, etc. Should I create such events in the main scenario?
  4. If you have played this modification and you are alive, then, please, write here your opinion on it, pros and cons (even the obvious ones).
 
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I'll try out the new version in the weekend. Keep the faith and keep up the good work.
 

Trmdrg

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I'll try out the new version in the weekend. Keep the faith and keep up the good work.

Then, please, take this, the new version (minor update): https://www.mediafire.com/file/1vss7lqzmr2fln3/History_of_Rome.zip/file

New country — Tamralipataka — a kingdom (janapada) and port city (Tamralipti) in ancient North-East India. I have created this country for the "431 ACN — Bellum Peloponnesiacum" scenario, but it can emerge in any other scenario.
Minor fixes and additions.
Six Indian kingdoms have been included in the "89 ACN — Bella Mithridatica" scenario.
 
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