History of Map-Changes: why 1.23 is the way to go

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From what I can tell, Only western Europe didn't change one bit (apart from Ireland and a few other exceptions).
That is wrong. At least some parts of western Europe changed in on of the earliest map changes.

E.g. the castilian provinces bordering Aragon did not exist previously, also southern France and Italy took some changes.
 

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From what I can tell, Only western Europe didn't change one bit (apart from Ireland and a few other exceptions).
Common Sense brought quite some changes, other patches did as well.
 

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The DLC-policy is making sure that we won't see EU5 for a very, very, very long time. Even said so by the devs: if we keep paying, they keep on making.

And how it looks and plays right now compared to 2013 is a world of difference. It could already be called an 'EU5', really.
It can not because of the engine. One day, they will have to change just because their engine will be outdated. The same way NT had changed Windows.
 

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It can not because of the engine. One day, they will have to change just because their engine will be outdated. The same way NT had changed Windows.
I'll take a wild guess and say they are already working on it, in a way or another. You don't make an engine in 2 days.
 

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Say whatever you want folks, EU4 can still go on for years to come.
 

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You can improve ad nauseam the number or the shape of provinces in EU4, and shave players from 20 $ every time you do it.

Or you can start working on EU5.

Problem is, i think the first option is much less risky and much more lucrative.

I think the map will be fine after 1.23, since all the world will have been redrawn at least once, and sometime twice.
 

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You can improve ad nauseam the number or the shape of provinces in EU4, and shave players from 20 $ every time you do it.

Or you can start working on EU5.

Problem is, i think the first option is much less risky and much more lucrative.

I think the map will be fine after 1.23, since all the world will have been redrawn at least once, and sometime twice.
Number of reworks is irrelevant. If we made Scandinavia one province and added one at every patch it would have been reworked 22 times but have 23 provinces which isn't impressive. Quality of the update matters.
 

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You can improve ad nauseam the number or the shape of provinces in EU4, and shave players from 20 $ every time you do it.

Or you can start working on EU5.

Problem is, i think the first option is much less risky and much more lucrative.

I think the map will be fine after 1.23, since all the world will have been redrawn at least once, and sometime twice.
they're problably going to put a lot of new mechanics in EU5, those they're testing in EU4
 

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Simple: Any province straddling the Rhine or Danube needs to be reworked and/or split, so that when I go and reform the Roman Empire, my borders will look nicer.
 

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You can improve ad nauseam the number or the shape of provinces in EU4, and shave players from 20 $ every time you do it.

Or you can start working on EU5.

Problem is, i think the first option is much less risky and much more lucrative.

I think the map will be fine after 1.23, since all the world will have been redrawn at least once, and sometime twice.

Aren't all the map updates part of the free patches, rather than the paid expansions?
 

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You can improve ad nauseam the number or the shape of provinces in EU4, and shave players from 20 $ every time you do it.

Or you can start working on EU5.

Problem is, i think the first option is much less risky and much more lucrative.

I think the map will be fine after 1.23, since all the world will have been redrawn at least once, and sometime twice.
I see the DLCs as an important part of EU5 development. Even if the engine will be different ( 64bit halelujah! ), the mechanics will still be ported, it's not like you will get an empty EU5, you will get all these DLC features into one hell of a game, with one price. At least the good features, because probably there will be some features that aren't as efficient as it was expected too, so those will be left out.
 

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EU5 isn't coming anytime soon, it's not even in the pipelines yet... I don't think we really need to talk about it here.

Anyway, what are the odds of us getting a free patch between Cradle of Civilization and the next DLC with some new features? Like the Denmark- or Hungary-patch?
 

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EU5 isn't coming anytime soon, it's not even in the pipelines yet... I don't think we really need to talk about it here.

Anyway, what are the odds of us getting a free patch between Cradle of Civilization and the next DLC with some new features? Like the Denmark- or Hungary-patch?
It's almost certain that we will get a free patch. Back when they first hinted at a new dlc people asked whether they have given up on free patches. The Devs response : we will still be doing them. But only after dlc. We don't count immersion packs as dlc
 

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It's almost certain that we will get a free patch. Back when they first hinted at a new dlc people asked whether they have given up on free patches. The Devs response : we will still be doing them. But only after dlc. We don't count immersion packs as dlc
Let's hope it brings something juicy for us map-lovers, too.