Historicity - Culture group "east asian"

[hhyy_best]

That should be the right example.
I also admit that Chinese and Japanese is different.

The sentence you drop contains too few Chinese character so I cannot understand. That should be the point, the Chinese can guess the meaning of a Japanese sentence if and only if there are enough Chinese characters in it. That is also true in the oppesite, the Japanese can only understand Chinese if and only if there are enough shared characters in that sentence.

By the way, I support the division of the culture group.

私 and 私達 should be the right example. Their meaning differs a lot in Chinese and Japanese, though some internal connection still exists... I know 私 means private in Chinese and I/me in Japanese... I don't know the meaning of 私達... however I can guess that it should means something close to I/me...

概要 means summary, though it is not commonly used, a Chinese can understant that without any problem. I guess it shares the same meaning in Japanese right?

 

[unmerged(173948)]

It‘s really ridiculous for the rebels in Chinese area to defect to Korea or Japan.I support Chinese people as a seperate culture group only for the game machanism.:rofl:

400 years ago the east asians shared the same culture based on the tributary system even including Myanmar，Vietnam and Siam.Few east asian people had a concept of nationality until the westerners came and broke the system gradually.

 

[unmerged(173948)]

私達==we/us...

 

[drxav]

I found in some dictionary that 概要 meant approximative estimation. In Japanese it does mean summary.

Anyways I went rampage because that other guy said Chinese and Japanese are the same language. I know they share the same characters, but they shouldn't belong to the same culture group. I don't think Japanese and Koreans should be in the same culture group as well.

 

[ltm6942]

龍造寺


What about this??

Google isn't translating for me..

 

[hhyy_best]

龍造寺


What about this??

Google isn't translating for me..

It is a clan name or family name of some Japanese.

Ryūzōji Takanobu (龍造寺隆信?, 1530-1584) from wiki...

If it's not a name and is actually Chinese, I will translate it as the LongZao Temple.

 

[unmerged(170957)]

well the game is about europe isnt? but what about Terra (latin for earth) Universalis? just as much attention to the rest of the world? i've heard there are many different cultures in china just as diverse as britons and germans. dont know the name of them though. i'd like to see china more detailed with more provinces and new cultures. still since we're talking about EUROPA universalis let them be in the same culture group, but make the cantonese form xia or wu instead of going to korea!

EDIT: jingtai yamato or hirohito ming is annoying though

 

[ayafox]

杯具啊！~~~~

还是分开吧，死活粘在一起也没意思，天要下雨娘要嫁人，随他去吧。

 

[ADP101]

杯具啊！~~~~

还是分开吧，死活粘在一起也没意思，天要下雨娘要嫁人，随他去吧。

ummm... what he said! But in all seriousness, I can safely say that we've established our point here

 

[unmerged(194734)]

I think that 17 centuries ago, the three countries in East Asia belong to the same cultural circle because of their dress, language, thought the same as

 

[drxav]

That won't help much.

 

[darkbrokendisk]

Plus, there are 56 official different languages in today's China. And NO, it's not just accents, it's different languages like Danish, Arabic and Russian.

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there are 56 recognized ethicity in china and only one official langauge.

 

[unmerged(197867)]

Yes but as said earlier so do many of the latin (wesern europeon culture). And if you study other things besides language, you'll find that japanese and chinese cultures have their other outside influence. China of course is land based, so they have culture coming from SE asia, Mongolia (and not to mention the several sub-cultures in china). Japan on the other hand is an island based civilization, they value the sea while China values more earthy things. This is seen heavily in their artwork.

I think it's pretty unfair to characterize China as a country that values "more earthy things" due to being "land based."

At times they had a very large navy and conducted naval exploration at least through (approximately) the 15th century. Notable Chinese seafaring had been ongoing for centuries by this point.

 

[anomanderus]

I was looking at the cultures of east asia, a part of the map I usually pay very little attention to, and realized that Korean, Japanese and Chinese culture has been forced together in a single culture group. I found this very strange since, for example, India has been divided into no less than 4 different groups (west and east Aryan, Dravidian and Hindusthani). Now I'm fairly familiar with Indian history and I know that India as a cultural and political concept wasn't created until the British Raj in the 19th century, but I would argue that India having different culture groups is less justifiable than say splitting the Latin group, which is a mish-mash of supposed "Italian" cultures, while in fact Italy was just as vague a concept as India. North and South Italy was historically vastly different, and the remains of this difference can be seen even today in Italian politics, even more than 120 years after the unification. Keeping this in mind, and then moving ones gaze to east Asia... well I think you get my point.

Someone might argue that because east Asia shares a political history they could just as well be thrown in with the same culture, and if that's the role culture should play in EU3 then I'll buy that, but in that case you might as well make all of Europe into "European" culture. After all we all sprung from the ashes of Greek and Roman antiquity, and that connection is about as strong as the ties Korea, China and Japan has.

One might also argue that, if I get upset enough to start a thread on it being unjustified to put these distinct cultures into the same group, then why am I not attempting to kill someone over the fact that there is such a thing as the "African" culture group. Well the thing is that Africa is almost always destined to be colonized by Europe anyway. It serves no purpose what so ever to split Africa, because with the lack of centralized states at this time, it would result in a huge amount of groups. Many of these groups would only include a few provinces, all of which would be instant-converted to European culture at the time of the colonialism.

To get back to east Asia, I think that the three "Chinese" cultures (Manchu, Cantonese and Chihan) should be in one group, while removing Korean and Japanese and either putting them in separate groups, or possibly unifying them in one culture group.

Except that they all spoke dialects of italian in italy. Not the same as india and it's hundreds of different languages.

 

[anomanderus]

I think it's pretty unfair to characterize China as a country that values "more earthy things" due to being "land based."

At times they had a very large navy and conducted naval exploration at least through (approximately) the 15th century. Notable Chinese seafaring had been ongoing for centuries by this point.

But Japan has always been part of the sea. It's in their FOLK CULTURE. The chinese fleets were state sponsored, the state=/= the people.

 

[unmerged(197867)]

But Japan has always been part of the sea. It's in their FOLK CULTURE. The chinese fleets were state sponsored, the state=/= the people.

Maybe you could argue that a greater percentage of the Japanese population has a more closely tied relationship to the sea due to its size, the fact that it is an island and average distance of any inhabitant to the ocean. However, to say that China doesn't look to the ocean disregards the huge coastline of China and its naval history.

As for the Chinese fleets being state sponsored, they were at times dominated and outgunned by Chinese pirates which means that people outside of the state were also invested in the sea. You don't get much more outside of the state than a pirate.