Historicity - Culture group "east asian"

[Trin Tragula]

Just for the record,as an example-India has never had an Aryan/Dravidian division. Someone with an overactive imagination and bucketloads of creativity set about creating this myth that has been the cause for so much turmoil in recent times. The vast majority of all Indians share a common genetic origin and are part of the same 'culture' group,with the only differences being geographic/linguistic in nature.

In game culture groups aren't only about ethnicity or language though (but they can of course be part of it). Otherwise you'd have one giant germanic northern european group in Europe.
The indian culture groups does help to promote an historical outcome. The early modern india certainly had a southern and northern sphere of action so to speak.
That said the indian setup in eu3 is ofcourse laughable in general. But the culture group I can atleast see the idea behind

 

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When talking about language, Is Morroco the same culture group as Iraq? apart from religion and language, they are worlds apart IMHO

While I would agree (but argue that marroco is actually closer to iraq than japan to china) it should be noted that I'm pretty sure that iraq and marroco are both in the same culture group in the game

 

[Trin Tragula]

As a point of reflection:
The current setup will make revolting Chinese provinces defect to Japan. Revolting Japanese provinces can revolt to korea or China, etc. With paradox stock dynasty lists the Japanese imperial dynasty could rise to the Chinese throne, not by dynastic ties, but as a local noble family. Does this seem realistic to you?

During this era there was quite free movement within the islamic world in general and the arabic parts of it in particular. They used the same laws, customs, etc to a large degree. If you studied law in marroco you would be qualified to be a judge in all of the arabic world (you cold indeed even be a judge in even more remote places such as Indonesia). While not ideal, I have some understanding for the arabic culture group as they did have a lot in common (though it probably shouldn't contain turkish if it wasn't so nice from a gameplay perspective to fit that into there). More so than the Chinese and Japanese.
Also arabic, while it has many dialects is a language that was understood in most of the muslim world (if not then persian was prefered). This is certainly not the case with Japanese and Chinese.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Rather it's because the tags weren't updated to fit the dynasty feature.
I made sure eastern countries got intradynastic pretender rebels rather than random ones (and that they would virtually never lack a legitimate heir) in my game but the real problem you mention above is that the tag really should be "China" or something similar now that dynasties are separated from nation tags.

 

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At that point basically every educated person in Sweden, and to a significant but somewhat less degree in Denmark and Norway as well.

An interesting tidbit: In 1500 2/3 of Stockholms population _was_ German.

For at least half the game's duration Japanese rulers tried to resist foreign influence, and to a great success as well, and before that only small parts of their culture was influenced by China..

But in the game a revolting Japanese province might well join the Chinese by itself...


And as other's have said the African culture group is just embarrassing.

Also why should German and Scandinavian culture be related? Yes we were influenced by Germany, but our culture doesn't look German. Schnitzel isn't a national eat here in Denmark.

Schnitzel is a very common thing in Sweden atleast. It's served in our schools from time to time. As is hamburgers of course so that doesn't mean anything itself

The point was that there were loads of ties between the Scandinavian cultures and the Germans during most of the game (just look at the names of the noble houses of these countries). The scandinavian languages also share a lot of history, language, etc with the German sphere and for a long time German was mandatory in schools while English wasn't atleast here in Sweden. This doesn't mean that they are in the same group. However do keep in mind that the Chinese and Japanese had less interaction than this...

 

[Trin Tragula]

In terms of game balance, I could understand that the East Asians could have an easier time ruling each other than say, Southeast Asians or South Asians (the "chopstick nations" share Mahayana Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, and characters in common, while Southeast Asia minus Vietnam is all Theravada/Muslim, and South Asia is all Hindu/Muslim).

While I generally seem to agree with you I'd like to note that I think the east asian culture group doesn't work from a game balance perspective at all. It makes for wildly ahistorical games all of the time with large tracts of China rebelling and joining the Japanese in all of my games.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Wait... Tibetan is in the Burmese group?.... your joking right?:wacko:

It makes more sense than Japanese and Chinese sharing a group Atleast language wise they're related (unlike Japanese and Chinese I might add)... As has been stated numerous times in this thread that alone doesn't a culture group make though.