Historical Republics in the EU3 timeline

[Junuxx]

Thanks

You're welcome

Junuxx's list was simply from the files - no point debating, since some of those are revolters anyway. Canada wasn't even a nation during EU3, and Louisiana never was.

Thanks for understanding. To all the people disagreeing with some country being on the list, I'm obviously not going to argue with you.

 

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Sweden never was a republic?

IIRC it was a noble republic for a short time.

 

[Jooze]

IIRC it was a noble republic for a short time.

Source please. Because I'm very certain that sweden has always been a monarchy (even though we've had our fair share of Regency Councils).

 

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I believe Sweden was a republic in a way, because the royalty was drained of its authority for some time, giving the parliament considerable power as a "regency". This was restored, I think, after Gustav III's ascension to the throne. Before Gustav's reign, we had something which you can call a pristine, medieval form of constitutional monarchy, since the royal house had an opinion about certain topics, but had to consult the Riksdag.

That's what I've been taught. I can refer to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Liberty

 

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Source please. Because I'm very certain that sweden has always been a monarchy (even though we've had our fair share of Regency Councils).

It had a noble republic in 1465, according to the game.

 

[Jooze]

While it may have been a republic ingame, the question here is if Sweden actually was a republic during the game timeframe.

I believe Sweden was a republic in a way, because the royalty was drained of its authority for some time, giving the parliament considerable power as a "regency".

Definition of Republic:

A republic is a type of government where the citizens choose their leaders of their country and the people (or at least a part of its people) have an impact on its government. The word "republic" is derived from the Latin phrase res publica, which can be translated as "a public affair".

The riksdag that controlled Sweden 1718 - 1772 was in no way elected. It was dominated by the nobles and merchants (and the church). Thus it was more like a Regency Council. The power of the riksdag was totaletarian. Thus Sweden was at the time an oligarchy.

 

[Cayafas]

Elected by a small group of nobles and/or powerful burghers is still "elected".

That said, people don't seem to realise how unusual a non-monarchic was in this timeframe. Even the Netherlands only became a republic after they offered the throne to the English monarch, who refused. Then to a French nobleman, who was quickly sent away after he turned out to be a prick. The only real others are Italian city-states like Venice, Genoa or Florence, and a couple countries where there was a formal monarch, but not in a hereditary way and with shared power (Poland-Lithuania for example).

And our modern knowledge of the government of Novgorod is vague at best. If there was a government form "complex clusterfuck" it'd be appropriate for Novgorod. And Switzerland

 

[Gottskalk]

wasn't frisia a republic for some time until maximilian had the saxons take over?

 

[Jooze]

Elected by a small group of nobles and/or powerful burghers is still "elected".

The riksdag that controlled Sweden 1718 - 1772 was in no way elected.

and never elected anyone...

 

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It had a noble republic in 1465, according to the game.

This is untrue. Sweden was embroiled in domestic political affairs during the late 15th century, due to the Kalmarunionen falling through with Engel Engelbrektsson usurping the Swedish throne. After his murder, the Swedes elected Charles VIII to be king. There was a brief period of instability when Cristopher of Bavaria, then king of Norway and Denmark, claimed the throne, but Charles later returned.

If the people elects its king, then what governmental type applies the most?

 

[Jooze]

This is untrue. Sweden was embroiled in domestic political affairs during the late 15th century, due to the Kalmarunionen falling through with Engel Engelbrektsson usurping the Swedish throne. After his murder, the Swedes elected Charles VIII to be king. There was a brief period of instability when Cristopher of Bavaria, then king of Norway and Denmark, claimed the throne, but Charles later returned.

If the people elects its king, then what governmental type applies the most?

Scandinavian Politics during that time were quite a mess. Several things you mention are only partially true. Alot of it is not true at all
- Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson never usurped the Swedish Throne
- Engelbrektsuproret did not directly cause the termination of Kalmarunionen
- Karl Knutsson (whom you falsely referred to as Charles VIII) was elected Rikshövitsman, not King (he usurped the throne later on though (after the Regency of Kristofer of Bayern))

The person who was usually elected was the Rikshövitsman, who was the commander of the Swedish Army in the Kalmar Union. The king (of the union) was never elected (even though constitution said he should be).

 

[Cayafas]

If the Rikshovitsman was the de facto head of state in that short period of time due to the lack of a king, and he was elected (by whatever small minority of powerful people, doesn't matter), then I can see why Paradox made sweden temporarily a 'noble republic'.

Given that they're located in Stockholm, I think they thought this through.

 

[Jooze]

If the Rikshovitsman was the de facto head of state in that short period of time due to the lack of a king, and he was elected (by whatever small minority of powerful people, doesn't matter), then I can see why Paradox made sweden temporarily a 'noble republic'.

Given that they're located in Stockholm, I think they thought this through.

He was never head of state he was the commander of the swedish army. In the absence of a king riksrådet governed. The reason why sweden is a noble republic during that time is propably because the political situation didn't reflect an actual government type. As sweden was a monarchy the rest of the time, they just changed it to something else.

 

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To some extent, the English word 'Republic' is just a graft from the Latin word for 'Commonwealth'.

I think the English word Republic comes from the Latin word Republic, you have that backwards, perhaps?

 

[truth is life]

If the people elects its king, then what governmental type applies the most?

The Noble Republic or (possibly) Bureaucratic Despotism.

 

[Cayafas]

He was never head of state he was the commander of the swedish army. In the absence of a king riksrådet governed. The reason why sweden is a noble republic during that time is propably because the political situation didn't reflect an actual government type. As sweden was a monarchy the rest of the time, they just changed it to something else.

Hence de facto head of state. It's obviously a rough fit, but I see the reasoning behind the choice to reflect this, er, interregnum, as a noble republic.