Historical Lucky Nations in ROTW?

[iShurik]

Hi!

Playing in India I noticed, that it's easier than in europe. I guess one reason is, because there are no (historical) lucky nations outside of europe. So why not add some (1-3) "lucky nations" on every continent, maybe with less bonusses than the european ones though?

 

[Lord Finnish]

Lucky nations should be removed not proliferated.

 

[TheDanish]

I would love to see truly random Lucky Nations, but the problem is that "random" LN still prioritizes bigger countries because a smaller country with LN is less likely to really succeed.

 

[iShurik]

Lucky nations should be removed not proliferated.

In a perfect world, yes. But as it is now, the AI is just not good enough. In SP it's just too easy without lucky nations IMO.

 

[zorkman]

In a perfect world, yes. But as it is now, the AI is just not good enough. In SP it's just too easy without lucky nations IMO.

Don't have them in other Paradox games so cannot see why they are in EU.

 

[finkellll]

I would love to see truly random Lucky Nations, but the problem is that "random" LN still prioritizes bigger countries because a smaller country with LN is less likely to really succeed.

If you go into defines.lua there are modifiers for how the game decides random lucky nations.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Sure, here are some good lucky candidates for ROTW:

1. Songhai
2. Manchu/Qing
3. Aq Qoyunlu
4. Mughals
5. Japan
6. Bengal

 

[olm]

Sure, here are some good lucky candidates for ROTW:

1. Songhai
2. Manchu/Qing
3. Aq Qoyunlu
4. Mughals
5. Japan
6. Bengal

Manchu/Qing and Mughals (pre-1700) definitely. Others listed historically either didn't last very long (Songhai, Aq Qoyunlu), or didn't expand that much to need such bonus (Japan).

 

[AndreasPhokas]

Manchu/Mughals/Taungoo/Marathas(if they spawn of course, I think they should make a DHE if the Marathi provinces are owned by an Islamic power but still hindu then they will spawn with shivaji Bhonsle and some troops)

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Manchu/Qing and Mughals (pre-1700) definitely. Others listed historically either didn't last very long (Songhai, Aq Qoyunlu), or didn't expand that much to need such bonus (Japan).

Aq Qoyunlu could simulate its "not existing long" by forming Persia, which would also be lucky.

Songhai lasted 150 years, not too different from the reasonable periods of lucky status on current luckies.

 

[greendevil]

Sure, here are some good lucky candidates for ROTW:

1. Songhai
2. Manchu/Qing
3. Aq Qoyunlu
4. Mughals
5. Japan
6. Bengal

How is Japan a "historical lucky nation" in the timeframe?

It stayed as a backwater place never expanding beyond its borders then it got humiliated by europeans.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

How is Japan a "historical lucky nation" in the timeframe?

It stayed as a backwater place never expanding beyond its borders then it got humiliated by europeans.

It had a nice period where Portugal sold it guns and it adapted them into the military early in the period. That's kind of lucky. More so, it's just a counter-balance to Manchu in the region though, to keep it alive.

 

[olm]

It had a nice period where Portugal sold it guns and it adapted them into the military early in the period. That's kind of lucky. More so, it's just a counter-balance to Manchu in the region though, to keep it alive.

For Manchu repeating their historical success is already a gargantuan task. I don't think they need any additional "counter-balance".

 

[TheMeInTeam]

For Manchu repeating their historical success is already a gargantuan task. I don't think they need any additional "counter-balance".

Think of it more as "steering", but Japan had it not had Tokugawa gumming things up could have easily continued its historical tech progress it enjoyed early in the period, and I think it would struggle to survive a lucky Manchu as it blobs into an all but helpless Ming.