Historical Improvement Project

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Very well, I'm having fun already, italy@1942, driving the british out of north africa. Great mod, I played it a little for hoi2...

One question, one feature I liked about Doomsday was that when you selected multiple divisions and armies there would be text displayed above them that said "12 armies, 35 divisions" that's dissapeared in HIP... it only displays how many armies, ala hoi2.

Any idea why this is? I really liked to see how many divs I had selected. Thanks.

 

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Fixed.

 

[Coombes]

I keep getting an error when trying to start a campaign. The loading cuts out and an error appears.

"error : (ai-prefs :unexpected field)'min_core_attack_fleets = 1'line + 83 file = ai\den.ai

Do you know what I should do?

 

[Zakouski]

Ok, as I do not have DD for the time being, i may start a new HOI2 campaign

Is the latest release of HIP only for DD or will it work with HOI2 ?

 

[KAding]

Airpower in HIP 0.5

I'm just playing Thailand HIP_DD 0.5. However, is it perhaps possible interdiction is bugged, as in too powerful? I noticed my fully organized infantry '36 in a mountain province pretty much loses all its org after being bombed only once or twice by ONE '33 tactical bomber.

It just doesn't feel right. But it could be me. I haven't played HOI2 in a few months.

 

[KAding]

Btw, I noticed tactical bombers in HIP_DD have about 7-8 times the soft attack value compared to DD vanilla. Is it supposed to be like that? I understand it has to be higher to compensate for the higher org, but 7-8 times as high? :wacko:

But then again, I'm not a modder, I might be missing something .

 

[Alekpier608]

Carriers w/ no CAG's?

Panther, what's the deal with the British carriers of the med. Fleet and other fleets having no CAG's? Is that an error or is that on purpose? I can fix that if you like because at the start of the 1936 scen. they are pratically worthless. Loki, Great job with the german and Italian navy changes. I noticed you didn't Change the BB's of the Regia Marina at all. You didn't like my idea of changing Doria and Duilio to Duilio Class 1930 BB and Cavour and the other one to 1936 BB Cavour Class? Also a lot of the Kriegmarine Reserve BC's 1918 were not active in WW2. Just another thought.

P.S. Panther you have to change heavy cruisers Hawkins, Effingham, and Frobisher to HC model_0 1918 hawkins class like I suggested for the next release. E-mail me for correct UK 1936 scen. file. They were not County Class cruiser. Also how bout changing the soviet naval models like i suggested.

Alek

 

[rook749]

Panther,

I think I was about to agree with Alek on the 1936 OOB for the United Kingdoms navy but I checked this link

http://warships.web4u.cz/tridy.php?language=E&stat=GB&typ=CV

And after that, if we stick with definition of a CVL as =< 50 aircraft than only the Furious is a carrier for the United Kingdom in the 1936 OOB.

Assuming we stick with that definition then the model names do need some work.

CV – 30, Furious (Furious)
CV – 36, Ark Royal (Ark Royal)
CV – 38, Illustrious (Illustrious, Victorious, Formidable, Indomitable)
CV – 41, Implacable (Implacable, Indefatigable)
CV – 43, Audacious (Audacious, Eagle, Ark Royal)
CV – 45, Malta (Malta, New Zealand, Gibraltar, Africa)
CV – 48, CVA-01

CVL – 30, Eagle (Eagle)
CVL – 36, Courageous (Courageous, Glorious)
CVL – 38, Unicorn (Unicorn)
CVL – 43, Colossus (Colossus, Glory, Ocean, Perseus, Pioneer, Theseus, Triumph, Venerable, Vengeance, Warrior, Majestic, Hercules, Leviathan, Magnificent, Powerfull, Terrible)
CVL – 45, Centaur (Centaur, Albion, Bulwark, Hermes)
CVL – 48, CVL-48

Assumptions: I combined the Colossus (started in 42 to 43) and the Majestic (started in 1943) into one class.

Other Sources:
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/uk_fleet.htm

Rook

Panther, what's the deal with the British carriers of the med. Fleet and other fleets having no CAG's? Is that an error or is that on purpose? I can fix that if you like because at the start of the 1936 scen. they are pratically worthless. Loki, Great job with the german and Italian navy changes. I noticed you didn't Change the BB's of the Regia Marina at all. You didn't like my idea of changing Doria and Duilio to Duilio Class 1930 BB and Cavour and the other one to 1936 BB Cavour Class? Also a lot of the Kriegmarine Reserve BC's 1918 were not active in WW2. Just another thought.

P.S. Panther you have to change heavy cruisers Hawkins, Effingham, and Frobisher to HC model_0 1918 hawkins class like I suggested for the next release. E-mail me for correct UK 1936 scen. file. They were not County Class cruiser. Also how bout changing the soviet naval models like i suggested.

Alek

 

[rook749]

Panther,

Just stated my first game of HIP with DD. So far it looks great. Playing as the United Kingdom. Here are my quick comments.

The money generation and costs seems ok (only in mid 1937 right now).

The IC seems to be a lot tighter then HOI II. There seems to be less ships under construction at starts and all are at full cost to be complted in 1936.

I'll give you more feed back as I advance.

Rook

 

[The Albatross]

HOI 2 and DD version HIP Clarification...!?!?!

I note the Version 0.5 details are as follows:

"v0.50 (checksum: XLFA)
-Doomsday compatibility
-Some tech backgrounds are not finished, yet
-African IC reviewed, mostly slightly up
-1936 German and Italian Navy OoB changes
-1942 USA Army OoB changes
-carrier models and classes reviewed
-No changes to Armor tech tree, yet
-some late game unit stats not adjusted, yet
-independence of Ceylon event added
-Brazil and Chile IC and manpower growth series added"

There is no mention that this version is compatible with DD ONLY or with HOI 2 as well.

It would probably help if the last suitable version for HOI 2 could be labelled as such, and to prevent confusion, include words the the effect that "This version suitable for DD only" -- maybe in a standout font colour....???

I have also seen a reference to version 0.49, (?? graphics version)......

"I read i the read me files, that I should install HIP v0.49 Graphics.rar. All I see at http://hip.moddir.net/ is HIP v0.50 Graphics.rar.

Please help.

Nslcole"

Cheers

 

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I keep getting an error when trying to start a campaign. The loading cuts out and an error appears.

"error : (ai-prefs :unexpected field)'min_core_attack_fleets = 1'line + 83 file = ai\den.ai

Do you know what I should do?

Sounds, like you were trying to use the DD Version for HOI2? If not, which campaign and country?

Is the latest release of HIP only for DD or will it work with HOI2 ?

v0.50 is ONLY for Doomsday. There is still v0.46b for HOI2, but there will only be bug fixes for it in the future.

I'm just playing Thailand HIP_DD 0.5. However, is it perhaps possible interdiction is bugged, as in too powerful? I noticed my fully organized infantry '36 in a mountain province pretty much loses all its org after being bombed only once or twice by ONE '33 tactical bomber.

It just doesn't feel right. But it could be me. I haven't played HOI2 in a few months.

Will look at it.

Btw, I noticed tactical bombers in HIP_DD have about 7-8 times the soft attack value compared to DD vanilla. Is it supposed to be like that? I understand it has to be higher to compensate for the higher org, but 7-8 times as high? :wacko:

But then again, I'm not a modder, I might be missing something .

This is due to the prolonged combat, but does not mean, that air units are 7-8 times better versus ground units.

Panther, what's the deal with the British carriers of the med. Fleet and other fleets having no CAG's? Is that an error or is that on purpose? I can fix that if you like because at the start of the 1936 scen.

They were downgraded to CVL. In v0.50 I have added nearly all numbers of aircraft in the *.inc files.

P.S. Panther you have to change heavy cruisers Hawkins, Effingham, and Frobisher to HC model_0 1918 hawkins class like I suggested for the next release.

Done.

Also how bout changing the soviet naval models like i suggested.

I should have done that, see v0.50.

Assuming we stick with that definition then the model names do need some work.

CV – 30, Furious (Furious)
CV – 36, Ark Royal (Ark Royal)
CV – 38, Illustrious (Illustrious, Victorious, Formidable, Indomitable)
CV – 41, Implacable (Implacable, Indefatigable)
CV – 43, Audacious (Audacious, Eagle, Ark Royal)
CV – 45, Malta (Malta, New Zealand, Gibraltar, Africa)
CV – 48, CVA-01

CVL – 30, Eagle (Eagle)
CVL – 36, Courageous (Courageous, Glorious)
CVL – 38, Unicorn (Unicorn)
CVL – 43, Colossus (Colossus, Glory, Ocean, Perseus, Pioneer, Theseus, Triumph, Venerable, Vengeance, Warrior, Majestic, Hercules, Leviathan, Magnificent, Powerfull, Terrible)
CVL – 45, Centaur (Centaur, Albion, Bulwark, Hermes)
CVL – 48, CVL-48

Excellent, changed.

The IC seems to be a lot tighter then HOI II. There seems to be less ships under construction at starts and all are at full cost to be complted in 1936.

This is related to a bug, described earlier in this thread.

There is no mention that this version is compatible with DD ONLY or with HOI 2 as well.

It would probably help if the last suitable version for HOI 2 could be labelled as such, and to prevent confusion, include words the the effect that "This version suitable for DD only" -- maybe in a standout font colour....???

I will do that (on the server it is clearly separated with folders).

 

[Coombes]

I used it for DD 1.1 and 1936 campaign.

 

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Loki, Great job with the german and Italian navy changes. I noticed you didn't Change the BB's of the Regia Marina at all. You didn't like my idea of changing Doria and Duilio to Duilio Class 1930 BB and Cavour and the other one to 1936 BB Cavour Class? Also a lot of the Kriegmarine Reserve BC's 1918 were not active in WW2. Just another thought. Alek

thanks alekpier , i will change the italian BB´s with events , but i worked the wohle time on the GDP-polpulation-events for whole south america . i finished now and i hope panther will fitt it in the game as soon as possible .
i will think about some Kriegsmarine Reserve , but this ship were avaible for the Kriegsmarine , but the were not used for in fleets for battles . the schlesien and the schleswig-holstein were built at the same time , but the were only used against the polish invasion. if the other ´18 were also used , they would be mentioned also in the statistic . i took them into the reserved , because they were avaible , but the used them as ships , where other crews of ship sleeped .

 

[Coombes]

Republican Spain.

 

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panther , nearly all of the small countries are not playable , because they do not get the money for research . the industrialmodifier ist to small . every country should get off-map money or something , because as a human you cannot reasearch or even send an spy . i think even the small countries should sent a couple of spies . a country does not need huge amount of money to send spies

 

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Republican Spain.

I am getting no error and no one else has complained, maybe you should try to unpack again.

panther , nearly all of the small countries are not playable , because they do not get the money for research .

I see no problem with research, when using "viewtech" cheat they are researching like in HOI2. It might be, that they are now spending too much money on spies, that causes some problems, then we will have to reduce this.

 

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I am getting no error and no one else has complained, maybe you should try to unpack again.I see no problem with research, when using "viewtech" cheat they are researching like in HOI2. It might be, that they are now spending too much money on spies, that causes some problems, then we will have to reduce this.

no the ai is working fine , but when i play for example yugoslavia or such a country as a human . i have always negativ money and have to trade sometimes a little bit money on resources .it should be playable ( research + spies ) for human players .

 

[rook749]

Panther,

Do you want me to give you a breakdown on the US and Japanese carrier names and models as well? I can try for any of the other nations you want but I have a numerous books and information on the CW, US and Japan.

Rook

 

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Sure, that would be great. You can take v0.51 "models.csv" to see, what we have for class names and the *.inc files below the scenario folders for single model numbers for a certain unit.

As definition we use currently

CVE/CVL: 10 to 44 aircraft (in special cases up to 54)
CV: 45 or more aircraft (in special cases only 36)

v0.51 is out

 

[pimparel]

Can I play HIP without the graphics pack? Or a minimized one?