Historical Immersion? The geography in Hungary is all wrong and immersion-breaking!

[TheDovahkiin97]

That would be up to people who are more familiar with history of Bohemia and lands it conquered in 10th century to determine, whether inhabitants of Moravia assumed Czech identity in these times or kept their own distinct identity.

Those were regional identities. They were all slavs. In eastern Bohemia however were the "Black Croats" - Harvats. There wasnt even something like "czech bohemia" yet outside of the prague region.
And regional and sub-tribal identities are not really cultures

quoting myself again:

The remaining "Harvats" in Bohemia however managed to survive and together with the "Dulebians" they competed with the Premyslids from Prague over the control of entire Bohemia but the "Harvatian" "Slavniković" dynasty got slaughtered in 995.
This was a key event for the slavs of Bohemia as their unrivaled rule centered in Prague which allowed the Premyslids, as descendants of the former "Česi" tribe whose mythical forefather "Čeh" founded Prague, to melt all the local slavic tribes into beeing "Czech" which should from then on also equal beeing "Bohemian".

 

[DorlasAnther]

Those were regional identities. They were all slavs. In eastern Bohemia however were the "Black Croats" - Harvats. There wasnt even something like "czech bohemia" yet outside of the prague region.
And regional and sub-tribal identities are not really cultures

And as I stated before, I am not someone who has studied how region of Bohemia developed in 10th century or before so you are practically arguing against nothing.

 

[TheDovahkiin97]

And as I stated before, I am not someone who has studied how region of Bohemia developed in 10th century or before so you are practically arguing against nothing.

And so are you as i am convinced that its impossible to be an expert on the early slavic-history of one modern state if you never even tried to be an expert about all of them (or at least their neighbours).
This is far to complex and worthless to discuss without the bigger (or rather entire) picture.

 

[DorlasAnther]

And so are you as i am convinced that its impossible to be an expert on the early slavic-history of one modern state if you never even tried to be an expert about all of them (or at least their neighbours).
This is far to complex and worthless to discuss without the bigger (or rather entire) picture.

I studied Great Moravia and read literature about how Slovak identity developed. That is enough to see that people who lived in Moravia and people who lived in modern day Slovakia did not share cultural bond stronger than was among other Slavs at that time and union was political in nature. They would definitely develop into one people if they were given the opportunity, like populations under other Slavic medieval states did, but since they developed separately after the end of 9th century, they ended up as distinct people.

It is possible to have enough knowledge to be able to state something about a topic, but also to not have that level of knowledge to take a stance on related topic. The difference is that unlike you, I am entirely capable of admitting that I am not an authority on topic of development of Bohemian/Moravian relations after fall of Great Moravia (as my field of study has always been southwestern Slovakia and by extention Hungary) rather than trying to sound as if I knew everything about all Slavs (which I can guarantee you that you don´t, given that your statements regarding Slovak identity are based on fallacies, assumptions and lack of knowledge beyond early medieval period that, if you had it, would tell you why Slovaks and Czechs (not Moravians, Czechs) are close in modern times).

 

[ShinsukeNakamura]

The proper conjugation would be "slovensky" which translates into "slavic" and therefore not a good choice because it has zero reference to those specific proto slovak slavs.
It doesnt matter what you do everything is wrong. You can never be right in this region. but a division in 867 definitely makes no sense. It has to be moravian in 867.

Once you go "slavic" there is no going back. You will end up with 20 cultures which translate into "Slavic" with slightly different spellings lmao

There are a lot of Slavic ethnicities that called their language/dialect as "slavic", for example Polabians called their language "slüvensťĕ", which of course means "slavic". The same goes for now extinct subgroup of Kashubians, called "Słowińcy".

And so are you as i am convinced that its impossible to be an expert on the early slavic-history of one modern state if you never even tried to be an expert about all of them (or at least their neighbours).
This is far to complex and worthless to discuss without the bigger (or rather entire) picture.

And of course this "bigger picture" are historically vague White Croatians, am I right?

Those were regional identities. They were all slavs. In eastern Bohemia however were the "Black Croats" - Harvats. There wasnt even something like "czech bohemia" yet outside of the prague region.
And regional and sub-tribal identities are not really cultures.

Please tell me why there was no "czech bohemia" outside of the Prague region? Also, you say that regional identities are not really cultures, but you don't have a problem in putting big-ass culture in the center of Europe? Honestly, Harvats could be just one of the bohemian tribes that was just called "Harvats".

 

[TheDovahkiin97]

There are a lot of Slavic ethnicities that called their language/dialect as "slavic", for example Polabians called their language "slüvensťĕ", which of course means "slavic". The same goes for now extinct subgroup of Kashubians, called "Słowińcy".

Thats what i said. thx.

And of course this "bigger picture" are historically vague White Croatians, am I right?

No, the older greater one

Honestly, Harvats could be just one of the bohemian tribes that was just called "Harvats".

Yeah so many could bes and meh probably just coincidence lets ignore it.

about bohemia in short:
Northern Bohemia belonged to the sorbs until it got traded for marriage by slavibor to the premyslids.
The czechs were originally just the tribe which ended up in the centre at prague.
Western bohemia is the border of the Limes Sorabicus -> sorbs
Sorbs are described to originate from Boiiki -> Bohemia
The south is Dulebian who were always and everywhere mentioned along with croats and closely tied to them.
The east is Harvatian.
Czech is just a melting pot. Ofc there were many other tribes too. but the croats and sorbs are the only bigger forces with actual identities unlike "yeah we r slavs"

Beware its the short version.