Historical Immersion Project - Download/FAQ

[Danary]

It would be nice to be able to have the option to get rid of all your vassals and take their holdings so you can reassign them at the beginning of the game.

 

[Imperator_VP]

I dont feel like going through 120+ pages to find the answer - is this compatible with CK2+?

 

[Vegose]

I dont feel like going through 120+ pages to find the answer - is this compatible with CK2+?

Huge overhaul mods will never be compatilbe with each other.They tend to rewrite the same events files and titles etc.

 

[Vox Nihili]

Nope.

 

[dskod1]

Since I didn't get a reply in my thread, I am gonna go ahead and ask it here:

Why are catholic and orthodox the only religion where the head of the church is a kingdom? Why aren't, at the very least, orthodox heresies head of religions a kingdom title? This specifically annoys me because I like making the holy sites (or 5 pentarchy) duchy titles and then the head of the religion is a duchy title. Just seems strange to me when they are technically the head of the religion.

 

[Ispil]

Vanilla behavior, probably.

 

[TCWolffe]

HIP (not sure which module) actually elevates Sunni and Shiite to kingdom-level titles where vanilla has them as duchies.

I'm not sure what the mechanics do, but I know I've seen a heresy overtake a religion before. Is it possible the kingdom title flips with the heresy/parent designation?

 

[jursamaj]

HIP (not sure which module) actually elevates Sunni and Shiite to kingdom-level titles where vanilla has them as duchies.

I'm not sure what the mechanics do, but I know I've seen a heresy overtake a religion before. Is it possible the kingdom title flips with the heresy/parent designation?

A little while back in the campaign I'm playing now, Iconoclast overtook Orthodox (by a *lot*, 73 vs 25 provinces). Orthodox shows as a heresy of Iconoclast, but k_orthodox is still king level in the save file, with no holder & is inactive. Likewise, d_iconoclast is still a duchy. Who is in overall control of the religions is determined by which is marked as the parent religion.

 

[dskod1]

Also, Sunni and Idabi (the only two I know off the top of my head) are both duchy tier caliphites.

 

[zijistark]

Also, Sunni and Idabi (the only two I know off the top of my head) are both duchy tier caliphites.

... And normally the Shia Caliphate, but historically (in mod terms), PB and SWMH elevated the Shia caliphate to king-tier for... balance reasons regarding the Fatimids. [The change persists to this day, but its original reasoning is irrelevant.]

The Papacy and Ecumenical Patriarchy are king-tier a) because they've always been (in vanilla), b) the idea is that only Emperors can vassalize either of them, whereas Kings may be liege to the other religious heads, and c) we can't change it now (e.g., k_papal_state must forever stay k_papal_state).

 

[dskod1]

@zijistark

But what about Iconclast and the other orthodox heresies, shouldn't only an emperor be able to vassalize them as well?

 

[zijistark]

@zijistark

But what about Iconclast and the other orthodox heresies, shouldn't only an emperor be able to vassalize them as well?

That's not what Paradox decided with the release of SoA (v2.0), for whatever reason. Personally, I think k_orthodox ought to be duke-tier as well (and k_shiite), but there really is no impetus to change it, and in the case of k_orthodox, it would be an ungodly amount of code to change / who knows the repercussions. It makes sense for the Papacy, though.

EDIT:

Back when CM was released, I at least eliminated `k_coptic` back to its vanilla `d_miaphysite`.

 

[dskod1]

@zijistark
Thanks for the info Ziji, much appreciated.

Also, while we are on the subject. It is impossible to vassalize the Orthodox Patriarch in the following situation:

1) Byzantine empire collapses after they lose Constantinople, orthodox patriarch is now independent
2) I create the Byzantine Empire
3) I give the patriarch the church holding in Constantinople
4) Patriarch will not join me as a vassal.

There is no way to vassalize the patriarch at that point. If I push for the church holding then I just gain the church holding. The Patriarch will not join me because he is not de jure apart of the byzantine empire. I usually have to go into the save file and edit it to have the patriarch as my vassal. There should be some sort of CB for the byzantine emperor to force his religious head (assuming orthodox or orthodox heresy) to become a vassal to the emperor. At leats I think so.

 

[Jaidal]

Or maybe a decision would do?

 

[zijistark]

@zijistark
Thanks for the info Ziji, much appreciated.

Also, while we are on the subject. It is impossible to vassalize the Orthodox Patriarch in the following situation:

1) Byzantine empire collapses after they lose Constantinople, orthodox patriarch is now independent
2) I create the Byzantine Empire
3) I give the patriarch the church holding in Constantinople
4) Patriarch will not join me as a vassal.

There is no way to vassalize the patriarch at that point. If I push for the church holding then I just gain the church holding. The Patriarch will not join me because he is not de jure apart of the byzantine empire. I usually have to go into the save file and edit it to have the patriarch as my vassal. There should be some sort of CB for the byzantine emperor to force his religious head (assuming orthodox or orthodox heresy) to become a vassal to the emperor. At leats I think so.

I think that's there a decision for this called "Restore the Ecumenical Patriarchy" or some such (decisions/religious_decisions.txt). It requires the Patriarch to not already have b_hagiasophia, however.

 

[dskod1]

@zijistark

Noted. Am in the middle of a restoring byzantine empire campaign so I will keep my eye out for it.

 

[dskod1]

@zijistark

Formed the ERE, I personally hold the bishop tiltes of Constantinople and there is no decision to vassalize the patriarch.

 

[zijistark]

@zijistark

Formed the ERE, I personally hold the bishop tiltes of Constantinople and there is no decision to vassalize the patriarch.

I'm sorry. Looking at the decision now, it's only for when the Patriachy has been deactivated, e.g. due to Iconoclast take-over. I will try to add a decision to vassalize the Ecumencical Patriarchy soon.

In the meantime, try this event [file]:

namespace = test

character_event = {
    id = test.1
    hide_window = yes
    is_triggered_only = yes

    immediate = {
        k_orthdox = {
            owner = {
                set_defacto_liege = ROOT
                b_hagiasophia = {
                    grant_title = PREV
                }
            }
        }
    }
}

It will give the proper opinion bonuses for granting the bishropic, etc.

 

[Ispil]

Could you also add one for restoring the Varangian Guard? Same issue; if the Byzantine Empire is broken, any restoration of it cannot re-vassalize the Guard.

 

[zijistark]

Could you also add one for restoring the Varangian Guard? Same issue; if the Byzantine Empire is broken, any restoration of it cannot re-vassalize the Guard.

Yeah, sounds good. I'll add both decisions to my "medium-term" list-- maybe toss one in with the next release if I'm feeling Byzzie (contradictory pun intended).

EDIT: That's assuming we do a release this weekend at some point. If we wait longer, I'll probably have both of these included for sure, considering the special request.