Historical events?

[Skarion]

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The Swedish assault on Kopenhagen.

10-11 February 1659 swedish troops assaulted Kopenhagen, troops were marching into Norwegian territories and the goal was to have a total annexation of Denmark within a week.

Basicly the assault of Kopenhagen failed and foreign powers forced Sweden to accept peace.

And when this happend Sweden changed their politic from offensive to defensive and under the closest years the swedish empire colapsed.

But think if?

What if Swedish troops had assaulted Kopenhagen, the rest of Denmark were falling into Swedish hands and the lords of Kopenhagen did accept total annexation.

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So, it should be like if you are at war with Denmark between the 10-11th february 1659 you get some choices:

A) Accept the meddling from foreign powers.
Peace with Denmark. +3 Stability. +100 in relations with Holland, Poland, England and France. -2 in Quality. -3 in Land. -3 in Offensive.

B) Complete your plans and don't care about the foreign and local powers.
Denmark gets annexed by Sweden. -4 Stability. -100 relations with Holland, Poland, England and France. Holland, Poland, England and France gets a Temporal Casus Bellius under 48 months on Sweden. +4 revoltrisk under 48 months.

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Then that Norway should get another option at the end of the Kalmar Union to join Sweden in its attempt to get free from Denmark.

Option B) Let help the Swedish freedom fighters from the danish opression!
Norway breaks their vassalage with Denmark. Norway leave their alliance with Denmark. Norway becomes a vassal of Sweden. -2 Stability. +200 in relationship with Sweden. -200 in realtionship with Denmark. Norway gets a temportal casus bellius against Denmark under 48 months.

All norwegian provinces becomes swedish national provinces.

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Eh, what do you think?

 

[|AXiN|]

Well, you're probably better off putting this into the AGCEEP forum, since EEP is pretty much finished.

As far as your events go - There's a problem with the first one, in that there is not way to force a peace through an event in EU2. Also, I doubt that having a peace treaty forced down your throat would give you better relations with someone, and Holland probably wouldn't be a great power at this time. Austria certainly was, and probably Spain and Russia. Also, you're giving some pretty heavy DP shifts for an event which probably doesn't mreit them. Have a look at events giving slider shifts like that, notably the Inward vs Outward Chinese event - they represent major developments. I don't see a war without a name as being that major. In the second event, I'm not sure that cores are necessary, as this will incline Sweden to try to take out Norway.

 

[Dead William]

I would mostly agree with that assesment, except with the Republic not being a major power. In 1648 the Peace of Munster was signed, at which the habsburg had to eat crow and like it. No minor nation could have pulled that of, though most of the Dutch powwer lay in finance and trade, not on the battlefield. It should be remembered that some of the owrlds greatest and most innovative generals and admirals were Dutchmen during this era.

 

[Skarion]

I don't see a war without a name as being that major.

In nordic history books most historians say that battle made Sweden colapse.

Because of that battle and that the foreign powers forced Sweden to accept peace, Swedens Riksdag and royalty thought that Sweden can't no more conquer new territories with the current diplomatic and strategic stage at that moment in Europe.

So Sweden took away Gustav II Adolf's reforms and changed the army to how it had been before Gustav II Adolf.

Also they did thin out the swedish army so only small fractions existed all over the borders.

Nowhere big enough to defend against any major attacks, and not enough men to have this defense line and have some regiments to attack.

So basicly Sweden did get a primitive strategy, with too little manpower to defend the whole border and too little troops spared to make any counter attacks.

See, that battle is a major different in Swedens history.

 

[Skarion]

In the second event, I'm not sure that cores are necessary, as this will incline Sweden to try to take out Norway.

And?

Thats what Scandinavia have tried to do to eachother under 800 years... :S

Both political and military.

No one have succeeded with an 100% victory yet