HIP Release: 2016-04-29

[Ecnahc]

Aren't the Byzantines supposed to be of the Imperial Government type?

I'm pretty sure they are when you enter the game. Is this just a lobby issue?

You will not see the Imperial government type from the lobby. This was how it is working in Plus as well. When you start a game, the Byz will most definitely be in the Imperial business. Unless you're playing bookmarks during a certain time period, thanks to the work of the SWMH team.

 

[IAmNotAmused]

Alternatively, at least right now, if you start with a custom character you see "Feudal" in the lobby, and nomadic once you start the game, with the "real emperor" as a khan in your service. I'm half tempted to just play through on this.

 

[zijistark]

Great work, HIP Team... a release worth the wait, indeed. Reading how much has been adopted from CK2+, it surprises me to see that coronation wasn't an implemented feature... unless, for whatever reason, you guys on the HIP team do not believe such a feature belongs in HIP?

One thing at a time. Coronation is something for which we have plans.

Hmm...seems like whenever I start a Byzantine game with a custom ruler as emporer the Empire's government sets itself to "nomadic" on game start.

It appears that I introduced a strange bug, only affecting Ruler-Designed Byzantine emperors, that somehow makes them nomadic rather than imperial. We've already got the fix for this confirmed; I just need to update the beta and/or release a hotfix if it's a big deal enough (but I don't like to release official hotfixes so shortly after such an epic release, as that massive changelog tends to get lost in the shuffle). I'll update on the situation. Until then, I'd suggest playing a historical EREmperor.

Aren't the Byzantines supposed to be of the Imperial Government type?

They appear feudal in the lobby only. Once you start a game, they're imperial government. This is due to limitations of the CK2 lobby.

 

[theKing1988]

MORE cultures?! fine... And i liked the african nomad flavor, but there must be a reason.

Thanks for the hard work. Will update my sub-mod within a week.

The Nomads elsewhere than CA sadly had a lot problems balance-wise even holding their own against their neighbours of different government types, that the tribal government is not plagued by.

So to restore a reasonable in-game balance we sadly saw no other solution but to restore them as tribals instead.

Besides, we weren't exactly excited by how the Nomad mechanics functioned in a desert setting. Desert nomads were not even remotely as dependant on empty grazing space as CA nomads were.

 

[ogarrr]

Just a quick question with regards to the new helmets.
Firstly I'd like to say that they're superb.
However, at the moment the years that they appear are a tad ahistorical.

The western knight helmet #1 is a 'Enclosed Helmet' which wasn't used until c. 1150 until it was slowly replaced by the Great Helmet in the early 12th century.

Western Helmets #2 and #4 look to me to be bascinets (number 4 definitely is) which weren't used until the 14th century (the earliest recorded usage being in 1281 in Italy).

Helmet #3 and 2 of the crusader helmets are great helms which were used from the early 13th century for the rest of the time period covered by the game.

The last crusader helmet looks to be another Enclosed helmet.

Top update again though.
Cheers chaps.

 

[mgjh]

Imperial Government turning Nomads is not just a Start thing.
During my Game, several times Vassals of mine turned independent and Nomad.

In addition to the situation in the picture, A rebel leader went nomad after I defeated him, and once after pressing a claim on the Kingdom of Cyprus with a female minor against a male minor, she and the original title holder both went nomad, resulting in both losing their title to adults and becoming independent.

I am not sure, but I think this situation was caused by a rebellion as well.

 

[Ese Khan]

Just a quick question with regards to the new helmets.
Firstly I'd like to say that they're superb.
However, at the moment the years that they appear are a tad ahistorical.

The western knight helmet #1 is a 'Enclosed Helmet' which wasn't used until c. 1150 until it was slowly replaced by the Great Helmet in the early 12th century.

Western Helmets #2 and #4 look to me to be bascinets (number 4 definitely is) which weren't used until the 14th century (the earliest recorded usage being in 1281 in Italy).

Helmet #3 and 2 of the crusader helmets are great helms which were used from the early 13th century for the rest of the time period covered by the game.

The last crusader helmet looks to be another Enclosed helmet.

Top update again though.
Cheers chaps.

Yes, the CPRplus team is aware of the historicity of these helmets. In fact, their very first incarnation had our usual "early-era" switch of 950 AD, but we scrapped the idea because 1) we didn't have the time to add that much variety, 2) there will definitely be people who would like to see the "cool" armors before 950.

Another implicit reason that I can think of is that having so many varieties in Western armors alone would raise the bar too high when we add cool armors to other cultures as well.

 

[IAmNotAmused]

View attachment 174200 Imperial Government turning Nomads is not just a Start thing.
During my Game, several times Vassals of mine turned independent and Nomad.

In addition to the situation in the picture, A rebel leader went nomad after I defeated him, and once after pressing a claim on the Kingdom of Cyprus with a female minor against a male minor, she and the original title holder both went nomad, resulting in both losing their title to adults and becoming independent.

I am not sure, but I think this situation was caused by a rebellion as well.

Yeah, successful rebellions will cause the nomad switch. I just wrestled the Byzantine crown in a new game and upon surrender of the then-emperor the title became nomadic.

 

[zijistark]

There is now a hotfix for this release available regarding improper imperial->nomadic government switching. As the changelogs from this release are included in the hotfix release's OP, please continue any discussion in the new thread:

http://hip.zijistark.com/releases/latest.pl?thread

Thanks!

 

[EU3NOOB]

Also, something that's been bugging for a while...


Why is the Caucuses region part of the Imperial Reconquest Tier 6: England, Wales, and Germany?

 

[IoannesBarbarus]

Also, something that's been bugging for a while...


Why is the Caucuses region part of the Imperial Reconquest Tier 6: England, Wales, and Germany?

Several of the tiers have little extra bits in the east. The name of the tier isn’t meant to be exhaustive, the tiers are WAD. That last tier is a grab bag, it’s meant to have all remaining land that Romans controlled enough to build stuff on. (In that respect it’s missing some small bits in Germany but I haven’t gotten to correcting that yet.)

 

[EU3NOOB]

Several of the tiers have little extra bits in the east. The name of the tier isn’t meant to be exhaustive, the tiers are WAD. That last tier is a grab bag, it’s meant to have all remaining land that Romans controlled enough to build stuff on. (In that respect it’s missing some small bits in Germany but I haven’t gotten to correcting that yet.)

However, some of the land in that tier was conquered by Basil II and he certainly was not in a position to conquer England or Germany...

 

[IoannesBarbarus]

However, some of the land in that tier was conquered by Basil II and he certainly was not in a position to conquer England or Germany...

That so? What part? In Armenia?

The IR tier system with its present design, largely the same design it’s always had, is restricted in that complete control of each tier is required to dig in to the next tier at all. So there is some compromise necessary for what tiers to put land in. If you think moving a duchy in Armenia to an earlier tier is worth it at the cost of making that land required for further western expansion, I’d think about it.

 

[Tilarium]

The update looks great... I'm just torn now. While I've only been playing my current game for 2 weeks, I'm really enjoying it. Playing in Gaeta with an 867 start, probably close to the third generation ruler. Duke John (I edited the save to rename him!) the Blessed is a pious man but also a warrior that has conquered almost all of Southern Italy. As he's pious, he and his wife never.. mingled.. and he has no children but his younger brother (who recently died) had a son who is ready to become the new Duke... if John ever dies. The guy is 75 years old and has a 6.3 health rating (thanks to Charinfo for letting me find out!). He's also got it in good with the man up stairs I'd guess, as his former vassal and court chaplin and friend is the current Pope and owes him a favor. Perhaps that favor is being used to keep him alive? The point is, I really want to keep playing but I really want to switch and play the new version too.....

 

[DasBananenbrot]

Nice an update. Thanks for all the hard work. I like how one can see the continuing cooperation with Ck2plus with new features from Ck2Plus or Ck2plus inspired features getting implemented. Hope I can soon play HIP again. Haven't played for far to long.

 

[herrmarisa]

Nomads in Africa and Arabia converted to tribal government form

Why ((( No more nomads outside of the Steppe region, so sad.