High Crown Authority - Working as Designed?

[Yxklyx]

I've got an empire with several Kingdoms - the emperor controls one kingdom Hungary - CA is high. What I'm seeing is a Duke in Sicily marries a Duchess in Hungary and their heir then gets both duchies upon their deaths. The Duchy in Hungary is now part of Sicily. Is this how it's supposed to work - even with High CA? Any way to prevent this other than murder?

 

[Ithvan]

Was it a matrilineal marriage?

 

[Yxklyx]

Was it a matrilineal marriage?

Might have been. What difference would that make?

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

Might have been. What difference would that make?

In seniority if the dynasty changes he'd no longer be of the ruling dynasty, and thus ineligible for inheritance of those titles. Seniority absolutely guarantees that the lands stay in your family, while all others are more eclectic.

...eclectic. Love that word.

 

[imperium3]

I've got an empire with several Kingdoms - the emperor controls one kingdom Hungary - CA is high. What I'm seeing is a Duke in Sicily marries a Duchess in Hungary and their heir then gets both duchies upon their deaths. The Duchy in Hungary is now part of Sicily. Is this how it's supposed to work - even with High CA? Any way to prevent this other than murder?

Is CA high in the Empire AND Hungary, or just in one of them?

 

[FromasterG]

Maybe a stupid question, but is Sicily part of your empire?

 

[Yxklyx]

Maybe a stupid question, but is Sicily part of your empire?

Yes Sicily is in the Empire and at medium CA. Maybe there's a loophole that allows inheritance via matrilineal marriage even with high CA.

 

[l3ol3o]

I think I understand your problem.

Lets say you have a Duchess of Sicily and a Duke of Croatia. They marry and have a child. When they both die the child will inherit both the Duchy of Sicily and Croatia even under High CA. What high CA does it something like this. Lets say the Duke of Sicily dies. Next in line is the Duke of Crete. Under HCA he shouldn't be able to inherit and the title will be passed to someone inside the realm of Sicily.

High CA doesn't prevent super Dukes though. Dukes will always marry each other in your realm. The key is keeping women from owning land or they will marry your male Dukes and their children will inherit Duchies in multiple Kingdoms.

 

[Yxklyx]

I think I understand your problem.

Lets say you have a Duchess of Sicily and a Duke of Croatia. They marry and have a child. When they both die the child will inherit both the Duchy of Sicily and Croatia even under High CA. What high CA does it something like this. Lets say the Duke of Sicily dies. Next in line is the Duke of Crete. Under HCA he shouldn't be able to inherit and the title will be passed to someone inside the realm of Sicily.

High CA doesn't prevent super Dukes though. Dukes will always marry each other in your realm. The key is keeping women from owning land or they will marry your male Dukes and their children will inherit Duchies in multiple Kingdoms.

Can I as Emperor change the inheritance laws of a Duchy I control? Duchies don't show up in the Law screen - from what I can tell.

Or, should I just kill all the women.

 

[telegraph]

The key is keeping women from owning land or they will marry your male Dukes and their children will inherit Duchies in multiple Kingdoms.

Not that big of a problem. I let my dukes to grow as big and fat as they like. Until they stop loving me. if this happens - I back every plot like "give duchy XXX to someone else" and practice my intrigue by revoking everything outside his dejure domain.

 

[Yxklyx]

I think I understand your problem.

Lets say you have a Duchess of Sicily and a Duke of Croatia. They marry and have a child. When they both die the child will inherit both the Duchy of Sicily and Croatia even under High CA. What high CA does it something like this. Lets say the Duke of Sicily dies. Next in line is the Duke of Crete. Under HCA he shouldn't be able to inherit and the title will be passed to someone inside the realm of Sicily.

High CA doesn't prevent super Dukes though. Dukes will always marry each other in your realm. The key is keeping women from owning land or they will marry your male Dukes and their children will inherit Duchies in multiple Kingdoms.

I still don't understand.

Say Duke of Benevento is a vassal of King of Sicily and Duchess of Dalmatia is a vassal of King of Croatia. Both Kingdoms have high CA. The Duke and Duchess marry and have have a kid. When the Duke dies the kid becomes the Duke of Benevento. Why does the kid also get the Duchy of Dalmatia when his mom dies? It doesn't make sense - Dalmatia should be restricted from leaving Croatia due to High CA.

 

[telegraph]

In your scheme:
When first parent dies - his title will be passed to the first person in succession line, that is not bind to other realm.
When second parent dies - his title will be passed to the first person in succession line, that is not bind to other realm.

That means that kid will get Benevento, while some cousin or uncle or even King of Croatia will get Dalmatia.

 

[soebek]

In your scheme:
When first parent dies - his title will be passed to the first person in succession line, that is not bind to other realm.
When second parent dies - his title will be passed to the first person in succession line, that is not bind to other realm.

That means that kid will get Benevento, while some cousin or uncle or even King of Croatia will get Dalmatia.

I think the point is that it doesn't work like that within Empires. If Croatia and Sicily were independent of one another with high CA then, yes, that's how it would work.

I'm currently playing a game as an empire I formed with multiple kingdoms within it. The heir to one of those kingdoms is also heir to a duchy in another kingdom within my empire, and despite both the empire and all of its constituent kingdoms individually having absolute CA, he will still inherit that duchy and thus take it out of my personal kingdom into his, upsetting the internal de jure boundaries of my empire. It's kind of irritating that my duchies are protected from "properly" foreign kings and dukes through high / absolute CA, but not to those within my empire, even if they still belong to another kingdom.