Hierarchical/Egalitarian

[TruckFeet]

There has been a lot of confusion about what Collectivist and Individualist mean. They were stated not to be representative of any particular ideology. To clear up the confusion is this mod, which changes Collectivist and Individualist to be Hierarchical and Egalitarian.

What is in it?
Currently, it contains replacement localization for the ethos and descriptions, along with some of the buildings and techs, notably the Galactic Stock Exchange Hyper-Entertainment Forum, and a few of the specialized colony techs. I have also changed most of the opinion modifiers and diplomatic messages. Later, I plan to change the rest of the special techs, buildings, etc. to make more sense.

What is it compatible with?
Currently, it should be compatible with anything that doesn't also change the localization strings I've changed.

To use this mod, you can download it from Steam Workshop. If you want it directly, you can download the .zip file, unzip it, and put the contents of the folder (not the folder itself, but the contents of the folder, which should be a .mod file and a folder, both named hierarchicalegalitarian) in Documents\Paradox Interactive\Stellaris\mod. If you don't have that folder, create it, and put the contents in it.

 

[TruckFeet]

The text of the changed localization is in the spoilers. Currently, this is the entirety of the mod. If anyone wishes to make suggestions for changes, feel free! I have re-uploaded the file to fix the text, as well as some mistakes that made it not show up in game.

Spoiler

l_english:

ethic_collectivist:0 "Hierarchical"
ethic_collectivist_desc:1 "§LIt is self-evident that different people have different skills. Some are more fit to rule, while others are more fit to serve, and their roles in society should reflect this. To ignore this fact is to invite chaos and disorder.§!\n"
ethic_fanatic_collectivist:0 "Fanatic Hierarchical"
ethic_fanatic_collectivist_desc:1 "§LIt is a crime against nature for a servant to rule, or a ruler to serve. Proper order can only be maintained through strict hierarchy and absolute obedience.§!\n"
ethic_individualist:0 "Egalitarian"
ethic_individualist_desc:1 "§LEveryone is equal in basic dignity and rights. The preservation of order, while an admirable goal, does not justify tyranny and oppression either in principle or in practice. Civilization flourishes best when the few do not dominate the many.§!\n"
ethic_fanatic_individualist:0 "Fanatic Egalitarian"
ethic_fanatic_individualist_desc:1 "§LPower does not just corrupt; it is, itself, corruption. All power imbalances are fundamentally coercive by the nature of power. True freedom and justice can only be obtained through equality.§!\n"

INSULT_PROPOSE_COL_IND:0 "Is the [Root.GetName] even a real nation or just an anarchic gaggle of quarreling individuals? You must forgive me, but your political system, such as it is, makes it hard to tell."
02_INSULT_PROPOSE_COL_IND:0 "So who is it that rules your amusing little star nation today? What a quaint notion, to "vote" someone into power! It will inevitably lead to your collapse, of course."
03_INSULT_PROPOSE_COL_IND:0 "Your democratic ideals are a blight on this galaxy, and so is the [Root.GetName]."
04_INSULT_PROPOSE_COL_IND:0 "What a selfish people you are, preferring petty freedoms to order and stability. Egalitarianism... ha! The [Root.GetName] will not survive the year."
01_INSULT_PROPOSE_IND_COL:0 "Your brutal, tyrannical regime will eventually fall, and there will be a reckoning."
02_INSULT_PROPOSE_IND_COL:0 "Have you even considered the notion of letting your citizens think for themselves? If you are frightened that it would lead to the end of the [Root.GetName]... you are right."
03_INSULT_PROPOSE_IND_COL:0 "How sad that a hierarchical nation such as the [Root.GetName] can exist. It is an embarrassment to sentient beings everywhere."
04_INSULT_PROPOSE_IND_COL:0 "The cruel oppression of the people living under the yoke of the [Root.GetName] has to end one day. Your hierarchy will prove your undoing."
16_FRIENDLY_GREETING:0 "Your government does a good job of curtailing the worst excesses of egalitarianism, [From.GetSpeciesNamePlural]."
14_FRIENDLY_GREETING:0 "While we prefer free societies, we cannot deny that your government does a good job of providing stability to your citizens."
ENSLAVED_DESC:0 "This Pop is enslaved. Enslaved Pops generates unhappiness for all Egalitarian Pops on this planet."
COL_LABEL:0 "Hierarchical <-> Egalitarian"

edict_social_engineering:0 "Social Engineering"
edict_social_engineering_desc:1 "This Fanatic Hierarchical Edict mandates the use of subtle social instruments to reinforce our governing Ethics on the planet.\n\n"
edict_privatization_campaign:1 "Grassroots Administration"
edict_privatization_campaign_desc:1 "This Fanatic Egalitarian Edict encourages the individuals closest to the production effort to take increased responsibility.\n\n"

personality_harmonious_hierarchy:1 "Harmonious Hierarchy"
personality_harmonious_hierarchy_desc:1 "Harmonious Hierarchies are Hierarchical societies where the citizens are devoted to the state without the need for coercion. They tend to keep to themselves, but are not averse to trading."

building_galactic_stock_exchange:0 "Computational Distribution Facility"
building_galactic_stock_exchange_desc:0 "This building contains vast supercomputers which determine the most efficient distributions of resources. By preventing the rich from hoarding wealth, we can increase the efficiency of our economy."
building_ministry_benevolence:0 "Ministry of Benevolence"
building_ministry_benevolence_desc:0 "In order to provide the best living conditions for our citizens, and to offer them the security they are entitled to, we have centralized the branches of the state bureaucracy concerned with their well-being."
building_hyper_entertainment_forum:0 "Museum of the People"
building_hyper_entertainment_forum_desc:0 "This vast building complex contains depictions of the will of the people overthrowing tyranny, ranging from allegorical statues to historical pictures."

opinion_of_individualist_pos:0 "Free Egalitarians"
opinion_of_individualist:0 "Egalitarian Rabble"
opinion_of_collectivist:0 "Hierarchical Tyrants"

tech_hyper_entertainment_forum:0 "Museum of the People"
tech_hyper_entertainment_forum_desc:1 "$building_hyper_entertainment_forum_desc$"
tech_galactic_markets:0 "Computational Resource Distribution"
tech_galactic_markets_desc:1 "$building_galactic_stock_exchange_desc$"
tech_frontier_initiatives:0 "Free Frontier"
tech_frontier_initiatives_desc:1 "There are plenty of people who wish to travel to the stars, for a variety of reasons. Allowing them to freely join colonization efforts will lower the overhead of establishing colonies, but their Ethics may not be the same as ours.\n\n"
tech_frontier_traditions:0 "Frontier Traditions"
tech_frontier_traditions_desc:1 "A certain pioneering spirit manifests itself in the priorities of orbital construction.\n\n"
tech_frontier_collectives:0 "Frontier Hierarchy"
tech_frontier_collectives_desc:1 "History has proven hierarchies to be the most efficient social structure for settler enclaves.\n\n"
tech_frontier_commissars:0 "Frontier Commissars"
tech_frontier_commissars_desc:1 "Studies indicate that strict social control may be integral to the continued resilience of young colonies.\n\n"

 

[Baldamundo]

Makes far more sense than the vanilla!

 

[TruckFeet]

Makes far more sense than the vanilla!

Thank you!

 

[OneiricRose]

Thanks for the mod its a subtle but very nice improvement over vanilla. I'd recommend (when you have time) going through the other localization files like diplomatic responses and such to change some of them accordingly as well.

Also I'm just nitpicking now but perhaps Autocratic-Democratic works best as that seems to be real issue with both ethos.

 

[Red Rook]

Nice job, was gonna have a go at this myself. I still prefer 'Elitist' for Collectivist, but hadn't decided on a suitable counterpart for Individualist. Are you gonna put it on the steam workshop?

 

[TruckFeet]

Thanks for the mod its a subtle but very nice improvement over vanilla. I'd recommend (when you have time) going through the other localization files like diplomatic responses and such to change some of them accordingly as well.

Also I'm just nitpicking now but perhaps Autocratic-Democratic works best as that seems to be real issue with both ethos.

I've updated the mod with opinion modifiers and diplomatic messages, as well as a few of the frontier techs. I plan to do more over time (for example, I haven't even touched events yet).

I prefer Hierarchical/Egalitarian because they're more vague and so people can interpret them to fit their own RP.

Nice job, was gonna have a go at this myself. I still prefer 'Elitist' for Collectivist, but hadn't decided on a suitable counterpart for Individualist. Are you gonna put it on the steam workshop?

Hierarchical is a better fit to societies that have multiple levels of hierarchy (the traditional Hindu caste system, for example, or the Three Estates in medieval France), and also allows more RP opportunities with, e. g. insects that had specialized for different jobs beyond just ruler/servant.

The mod is on the Steam Workshop right here. I'll add a link in the OP. I haven't updated it to contain the more recent changes, though.

 

[Forderz]

I'm really liking this.

 

[K W]

I'd recommend (when you have time) going through the other localization files like diplomatic responses and such to change some of them accordingly as well.

This. The idea is very good, but since this is a mod with focus on RP I would expect that every bit of text connected to collectivism/indivdualism is changed accordingly; otherwise it's a little bit immersion-breaking.

 

[TruckFeet]

This. The idea is very good, but since this is a mod with focus on RP I would expect that every bit of text connected to collectivism/indivdualism is changed accordingly; otherwise it's a little bit immersion-breaking.

I've changed most of that. The main stuff that I haven't looked at is events, but otherwise it should work. If it's not working for diplomatic messages, then something is wrong and I'll see about fixing it. It's been only three days since the release, and I don't have infinite time to work on this. I've gotten a lot of stuff, but there is still more to do. I'll do my best to get all of it done when I can.

 

[K W]

It was just a suggestion, of course we appreciate your work.

 

[Orlunu]

Hierarchical is a better fit to societies that have multiple levels of hierarchy (the traditional Hindu caste system, for example, or the Three Estates in medieval France)

Or the old system in Britain, which was the cradle of individualism?

 

[TruckFeet]

It was just a suggestion, of course we appreciate your work.

Thank you! I also appreciate any suggestions that anyone might have, whether about oversights that I've made, typos that need fixing, or ideas for better phrasing.

 

[Zavaleta]

Thanks for the mod!

 

[TruckFeet]

Thanks for the mod!

Glad I could be helpful!

 

[sdeezie]

This is a cool mod.

Have you considered replacing the ethos icons with a "greater than" symbol and an "equals" symbol, respectively?

 

[TruckFeet]

This is a cool mod.

Have you considered replacing the ethos icons with a "greater than" symbol and an "equals" symbol, respectively?

Thank you!

Actually, I really like the current symbols. The Hierarchical symbol is a pyramid with some elements higher than others, while the Egalitarian symbol is a single triangle. Honestly, I'm surprised at the way the original game used them. I would have expected that the undifferentiated, unified triangle would be Collectivist, while the collection of smaller triangles would be Individualist.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Thank you for this mod! As someone for whom collectivism and individualism generally denotes the anthropological/cultural rather than political/ideological/whatever-PI-was-thinking understandings of the words, this mod is really welcome and makes the game make more sense to me.

 

[Cornuthaum]

The text of the changed ethos localization is in the spoilers. If anyone wishes to make suggestions for changes, feel free! I have re-uploaded the file to fix the text, as well as some mistakes that made it not show up in game.

Spoiler

ethic_collectivist:0 "Hierarchical"
ethic_collectivist_desc:1 "§LDifferent people have different skills. Some are more fit to rule, while others are more fit to serve. To ignore this fact is to invite chaos and disorder.§!\n"
ethic_fanatic_collectivist:0 "Fanatic Hierarchical"
ethic_fanatic_collectivist_desc:1 "§LIt is a crime against nature for a servant to rule, or a ruler to serve. Proper order can only be maintained through absolute obedience.§!\n"
ethic_individualist:0 "Egalitarian"
ethic_individualist_desc:1 "§LEveryone is equal in basic dignity and rights. The preservation of order does not justify tyranny. Civilization flourishes best when the few do not oppress the many.§!\n"
ethic_fanatic_individualist:0 "Fanatic Egalitarian"
ethic_fanatic_individualist_desc:1 "§LPower does not just corrupt; it is, itself, corruption. All power relations are fundamentally coercive. True freedom and justice can only be obtained through equality.§!\n

Fanatic Hierarchical really is a missed opportunity for a Dune quote, in particular the Faufreluches - "A place for everyone - and everyone in their place."

 

[TruckFeet]

Thank you for this mod! As someone for whom collectivism and individualism generally denotes the anthropological/cultural rather than political/ideological/whatever-PI-was-thinking understandings of the words, this mod is really welcome and makes the game make more sense to me.

I'm glad you like it.

Fanatic Hierarchical really is a missed opportunity for a Dune quote, in particular the Faufreluches - "A place for everyone - and everyone in their place."

I'll consider adding something along those lines.