Well you have to admit that war often results in neater borders than inheritance. Thats kind of what i'm getting at.
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Well you have to admit that war often results in neater borders than inheritance. Thats kind of what i'm getting at.
You know, if you map out the modern day countries onto the CK2 map you get this...
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The borders in certain areas, like Syria and Jordan, etc, don't look anything like they should. But that's just the weirdness of the CK2 map.
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The borders in certain areas, like Syria and Jordan, etc, don't look anything like they should. But that's just the weirdness of the CK2 map.
I always find it interesting that rich/important characters are classified 'eccentric', but if you're poor and regular, you're just plain 'mad'
Most borders are also zoomed out, and adjusted to be pleasing to the eye when seen from a map. Get a zoomed in map of Europe (and other parts of the world) and be surprised at a ton of borders.
For example, you usually don't see this in the zoomed-out maps of Switzerland and Italy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campione_d'Italia
You know, if you map out the modern day countries onto the CK2 map you get this...
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The borders in certain areas, like Syria and Jordan, etc, don't look anything like they should. But that's just the weirdness of the CK2 map.
And now I want to play in this map.
Hehe, yes maybe someone should make a mod of it. Though most countries would be republics, unless you made all the Prime Ministers and Presidents into Kings and Queens. Empress Merkel of the CDU dynasty, perhaps?
It's not as bad as it could have been. Muslims could have held onto iberia... At least this world is owned by honest Christians.
And you, good sir, wins today's bitter, black cookie of bigotry.
On topic and less ad hominum shattered realms like Spain are cool, powers as France and the HRE should be less willing to adventure into them.
By the Gods, people, that is not an Argumentum ad hominem. They are literally "Arguments to the man". I don't even have a clue how you're saying his post was one, as there isn't even a person he's addressing, but an Ad Hominem is only in specific circumstances. It is not "being insulting". It is "Your argument is wrong because you are an ass", not "Your argument is wrong and you're also an ass". It is when you are arguing against someone's point by using their character in the argument. It is a matter of it being irrelevant to the point, not it being insulting. Insinuating someone is biased, and thus their information is unreliable, is also an Ad Hominem if you're using their potential conflict to discredit the information itself rather than arguing against the information brought up.
Ehm... I never said it was an argumentum ad hominem, I said it was an ad hominum was playing on the man.
They are literally the same thing and all of what I wrote still applies. Ad hominem is just a shortened form for it, especially since "Argumentum ad hominem argument" is redundant.
The borders ARE horrible, those little enclaves that were and are all over Europe, notice how it's entities that are usually small enough not to be even baronies in the game? Hence, they're not an argument for why absolutely ridiculous borders are just fine and dandy.
Holstein snaking into the black sea through Finland is completely insane, it's not even just not plausible, it's completely impossible.
Holstein snaking into the black sea through Finland is completely insane, it's not even just not plausible, it's completely impossible.
Yeah, I hate it how the Papacy gets those weird enclaves in Avignon. And what's up with Dutch in Constantinople in 1204? Not to mention that the Catholic AI goes batshit crazy like clockwork every 50 years and decides to invade Jerusalem for no reason.
I have never seen someone talking about a "argumentum ad hominumargument" so that's just silly. Context would have made clear that I literally used the Latin ad hominum, not referring to the fallacy. As there was no argument, just my commend on a quite horrible post.
On topic: Feudal borders /were/ ugly. See pretty much the entire HRE until German unification for example. Enclaves happened and given the fact that names of countries are used and not dynasties, things will look weird on the map that are completely feasible. A dynasty map mode would be interesting in this regard.
As for the Dutch in Constantinople, Byz should be less integrated with the Western, feudal world. One of the rules of thumb of the ERE was that 3 things should never be exported: the purple dye, Greek fire and princesses born to the purple (source: Judith Herring's Byzantium). The latter happens far too often (and the first two should be included in the game somehow!)
Here is a good map of the messy borders inside the HRE in 1789, some years before the mess started to be cleaned up.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/HRR_1789_EN.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/HRR_1789_EN.png
A modern day scenario would be cool, but I was just thinking about modern Europe thrown back into the medieval ages with kings and queens. Heh a modern day scenario would be cool too though, with events reflecting modern issues and modernized units.