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alexo22

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Wouldn't it be much better if heirs didn't have stats until 14/15?
Not only having heir stats makes it easy to abuse disinherit mechanic, but it's also unrealistic and illogical for people to have any adm/dip/mil ability when they're still babies.
And it's not even hard to implement I guess!
 
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Although it's most likely way out of scope for EU, having some agency over the attributes of your heir would be amazing
Mods already introduce heir education, and it's not at all game-breaking
 
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That's one way to increase the popularity of elective monarchies, republics, and theocracies all at once.

Is the concern that the player has too much control over heir monarch point stats?
 

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That's one way to increase the popularity of elective monarchies, republics, and theocracies all at once.

Is the concern that the player has too much control over heir monarch point stats?
I'm for heir education stuff if it's not that much control.
E.g. you have 1/1/1 heir and can make him like 2/2/3 through education (sacrificing something in a process), but not 4/4/4 or higher.
 
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I think it should be more like Crusader Kings, where the stats start at 0/0/0 but develop as the heir ages. That way you can get an idea of how good they're going to end up without knowing for sure until they're close to adulthood.
 
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Yes it's unrealistic to know your heir's stats from birth, but I think it's for a good cause. Disinheriting is a rather recent mechanic compared to the game as a whole, and it was introduced precisely to give the player some agency regarding monarch point generation. Because frankly, there aren't many things more frustrating than to be saddled with a 1/1/1 for 40 years. If it's between that and a little unrealism, I'll take unrealism every day of the week.
 
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I want to point out that despite being 'educated', there were some atrocious monarchs in history. If we're going to conceal heir stats, then don't give us any way to influence them either, else the whole point of this argument (truly random ruler stats) is moot and players will once again game the system.
 
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Yes it's unrealistic to know your heir's stats from birth, but I think it's for a good cause. Disinheriting is a rather recent mechanic compared to the game as a whole, and it was introduced precisely to give the player some agency regarding monarch point generation. Because frankly, there aren't many things more frustrating than to be saddled with a 1/1/1 for 40 years. If it's between that and a little unrealism, I'll take unrealism every day of the week.

Also, I think the 1/1/1 for 40 years is vastly exaggerated in how painful it actually is. When the game launched, bad kings/heirs were terrible because they were the primary source of mana.

These days, you have advisors all the way up to level 5 (at 50% reduced cost with some luck, some even at 75% through missions etc), you have +1/+1/+1 from estates, you have +1/+1/+1 from power projection, you have humiliate rival wars for +100/+100/+100 as a lump sum of mana, you don't have to full core everything you conquer but can do with territorial cores/trade companies, you can vassal feed with transfer province button, missions that increase ruler stats permanently, and so on and so forth.

I think we've reached a point where a) you just get too much mana, and b) the average ruler stat distribution is just way too high.

Is concealing heir stats until they're adult/takes over rulership the solution? I don't know. I think narrowing the stat distribution might be a place to start (1-5 or even 1-4) or restricting how much/often you can disinherit (maybe up the cost to -100 prestige).

Not knowing what stats your heirs have would just be super annoying to me.
 
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E.g. you have 1/1/1 heir and can make him like 2/2/3 through education (sacrificing something in a process),
Yea that is fair. Essentially what disinheriting does already, statistically. So if disinheriting is nerfed, a compensatory mechanic like that seems reasonable. Perhaps it could sacrifice the legitimacy somehow, since you're going away from the royal norms to specifically educate the heir.