Hi i would like to buy the Hoi 3 that i see it´s better than the new one. I just have a question. Can i give a coup d´etat to another country? Thank you!!
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You can attempt it. Whether it has ANY chance of success or not depends on a lot of factors.
Find a friend who has it and steam share it to play without buying first. I tell you that for two reasons:
1- The base game without the expansions is not good. Exactly how HOI4 suck right now, really.
2- It's more complex than HOI IV, and you might get confused by the UI at first. Spending your money just to drop it because it isn't very newb-friendly is not a very good idea.
I reccomend you to watch some youtube videos of good players, like marco antonio:
1- The base game without the expansions is not good. Exactly how HOI4 suck right now, really.
2- It's more complex than HOI IV, and you might get confused by the UI at first. Spending your money just to drop it because it isn't very newb-friendly is not a very good idea.
I reccomend you to watch some youtube videos of good players, like marco antonio:
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Raviollius post has it pretty much covered.
I recommend to get at least the first expansion - Semper Fi.
From there on the game is play- and enjoyable.
The next two expansions for the game which are
FTM - For the Motherland
and
TFH - Their finest Hour
add a couple of features which are nice to have for some players and a must for others.
Maybe some others could give you more insights about the features that are added with those two packs.
I recommend to get at least the first expansion - Semper Fi.
From there on the game is play- and enjoyable.
The next two expansions for the game which are
FTM - For the Motherland
and
TFH - Their finest Hour
add a couple of features which are nice to have for some players and a must for others.
Maybe some others could give you more insights about the features that are added with those two packs.
HOI3 without patches or expansions was a complete disaster, and almost unplayable. The concept was very admirable, and I seriously wish that Paradox had invested the time and effort into getting it to work as originally intended, but the AI had a few fatal flaws, and the fans demanded a working game NOW! (Can you blame them, after spending money for a game that crashed or went brain-dead less than half-way through the war?) The developers ended up ripping out the entire diplomatic engine and scripting everything to get it working, which turned it from a "historically based sandbox" into an "on rails" campaign game. HOI4 actually had a MUCH smoother initial release.
The 1.3 and 1.4 patches brought HOI3 up to the point where you could get a war that resembled WWII about as often as not. Without the patches, it's "interesting" in a way, but too frustrating to play and have it go belly-up after you sink 10-20 hours into setting up your army and economy, only to have the rest of the world "park", or your main ally send 95% of its army to some forsaken corner of the map to starve (Japanese invasion of Finland, German amphibious assault on India, etc.).
Semper Fi, the first expansion, fixed several major bugs, and I consider that the minimum needed for a good game. The final patch for SF corrected a huge oversight where the Defensiveness and Toughness of land units didn't affect combat. Air units were NEVER fixed. For the Motherland and Their Finest Hour add numerous features, including a "wargoals" system to demand territory without total annexation, expanded convoy and lend-lease options, etc., but further restricted some of the diplomatic and espionage options in favor of more "gamey" tech stealing, coups, and underground resistance cells. Note that each expansion requires all of the previous ones, so if you get TFH, you'll also need FTM and SF.
So far, in my opinion, HOI3 is currently the better game, but HOI4 still might turn into something really good with time and a few expansions, or not.
The 1.3 and 1.4 patches brought HOI3 up to the point where you could get a war that resembled WWII about as often as not. Without the patches, it's "interesting" in a way, but too frustrating to play and have it go belly-up after you sink 10-20 hours into setting up your army and economy, only to have the rest of the world "park", or your main ally send 95% of its army to some forsaken corner of the map to starve (Japanese invasion of Finland, German amphibious assault on India, etc.).
Semper Fi, the first expansion, fixed several major bugs, and I consider that the minimum needed for a good game. The final patch for SF corrected a huge oversight where the Defensiveness and Toughness of land units didn't affect combat. Air units were NEVER fixed. For the Motherland and Their Finest Hour add numerous features, including a "wargoals" system to demand territory without total annexation, expanded convoy and lend-lease options, etc., but further restricted some of the diplomatic and espionage options in favor of more "gamey" tech stealing, coups, and underground resistance cells. Note that each expansion requires all of the previous ones, so if you get TFH, you'll also need FTM and SF.
So far, in my opinion, HOI3 is currently the better game, but HOI4 still might turn into something really good with time and a few expansions, or not.
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Hearts of Iron3 Collection, gives all the expansions and patches. All that, plus Black Ice, makes the game reasonably good, IMO. But, Black Ice mod, as the modders say, is not for beginners.
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