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Fredrik_SWE said:
It's just kind of funny, France used BB as an excuse to make an offensive war, in return he got England and Portugal on his side, and by this England participate in an offensive war with France. Jeez, is this game balance dead or what? Anyway, just say that it is an offensive gang bang war and i will accept peace, but don't use BB for the reason because it's only silly.

It's not as uneven as you say, Russia is really strong - and they currently have the best leader allive.

And sure, I would have attacked for Bearn soon anyway - this was just the right opportunity. Obviously, I cannot accept Spain holding French possesions.
 

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devil said:
Quit the game then, you know people don't give a fuck about bop these days. Everyone wants others to ensure the bop is maintained, they talk a lot but when it comes down to business they are only driven by personal gain, its definatly not the BoP.... no point in continuing to play if people are so blind/don't care, that they ruin it.

I wish you wouldn't speak so harshly about a session you haven't participated in yourself. This war is not 3 nations against Spain, but 3 nations against Spain AND monster Russia. Keep that in mind.

And the real damage to BoP was when a comined force of Spain and Russia demolished Prussia and made sure that Germany wouldn't have even 1 strong nation anymore... that was a true gangbang, not the ongoing war. And mind you, Prussia is now a satelite of Russia. And Austria probably just waits for the right moment to help them as well.

It is, of course, a shame that Fredde must pay for his sub's evil doings. But I'm sure his sub was led on by HG, so maybe Fredde should talk to him about it... ;)

Also, while I like to maintain a sensible BoP, there's no reason to cry wolf everytime a war starts...
 

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Rezag said:
Now if Spain thinks everyhting will be just forgiven return one province Munster to Prussia like Prussia didnt suffer anything else by Spain and Portugal was before accepting that Spain could decide what south/central american states it releases well nothing was answer for that so Portugal had to make it clear there will be free states in america after this as Spain went against freedom so freedom is what it will pay to remember its wrong doing against Prussia.

The problem, which people "conviently" seems to be forgetting, is that Prussia is now a vassal of Russia - and thus presumably on Russia and Spain's side...

France will, of course, work to force Russia to release them - but it won't be easy.
 

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Rezag and acrorelli, you guys are full of shit... you are forcing spain to release its colonies cause, in a offensive war, spain will agreed to secede munster and bearn surely, forcing it to release more is just plain stupid....

You guys the biggest chickens, go ahead ruin spain the only nation that can actually fight a land based MP war against napoleon... You guys don't know a thing about BoP, or you don't care.... that was proven severel times especially when you sided with OE. To destroy a spain cause it was subbed, for the sake of nothing is plain stupid... go ahead side with france... its the easy way out... then you won't have to face opposition...
 

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Hive,

I had him DOW to avoid the stabhit, but I had no idea he'd go so far as to invade Prussia himself...

Three things contributed to the last session:

A. Sweden was unwilling to fight Russia. Guess why.

B. Either Prussia's diplomacy was severely lacking in comparison to Russia's or the international community was disinterested in her fate (fair enough, but you can't turn around and bitch about it).

C. This is the weakest Germany I think I've ever seen. There is no great military power in central Europe-apart, that is, from the Ottoman Empire and Russia. There is no Greater Austria. There is no German Empire. There is no trans-German Imperial Sweden. There isn't even a Bloated Poland.

In any event, I did not expect to meet as little resistance as I did, and consequently, rather than taking a line of provinces directly to the French border and fortifying them to max support, as planned, I merely vassalized. And not only did I merely vassalize, I sent nine thousand ducats to Berlin, a move that had virtually nothing to do with in-game interests and everything to do with revitalising a country that was left alone and defenseless. Essentially, Elizabeth died and Peter III took over. Prussia was spared.

It was a mistake. But you have absolutely zero ground to criticize me for gutting another player.

(something that has become, in EU II MP, a game, an unfathomable anathema)
 

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Right Hive... you are full of it too, punish russia if you wan't to punish anyone, and I doubt prussia will stay are russian vassal. Its like " lets all rape spain, cause we don't dare landing in russia".... If you guys had any intension of saving prussia you would have invaded russia... instead you turn around and bitch about it later... its so easy...

You know damn well France is very powerfull in this game... had I been france, prussia and austria would be french vassals.... Actually had I not restrained myself the last 100 years I played, I would have vassalised sweden, prussia and austria... But you convinced me to enforce BoP....

But guess i know this from now, you have changed your opinion on this matter, I remember a hive crying my icq full when I raped his venice in EU: TNG.. Maybe it is time to screw BoP for every means possible... I for one definiately won't be listening to your crap about me enforcing Bop anymore... Had you any backbone you would have defeated spain yourself...
 
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HolisticGod said:
Hive,

I had him DOW to avoid the stabhit, but I had no idea he'd go so far as to invade Prussia himself...

Three things contributed to the last session:

A. Sweden was unwilling to fight Russia. Guess why.

B. Either Prussia's diplomacy was severely lacking in comparison to Russia's or the international community was disinterested in her fate (fair enough, but you can't turn around and bitch about it).

C. This is the weakest Germany I think I've ever seen. There is no great military power in central Europe-apart, that is, from the Ottoman Empire and Russia. There is no Greater Austria. There is no German Empire. There is no trans-German Imperial Sweden. There isn't even a Bloated Poland.

First of all, you know damn well why I didn't help Prussia - because you and Spain specifically made sure I couldn't, by dowing him while I had a truce with you. Sure, I could break it - but fighting you with -3 stab didn't seem like the best solution.

HolisticGod said:
In any event, I did not expect to meet as little resistance as I did, and consequently, rather than taking a line of provinces directly to the French border and fortifying them to max support, as planned, I merely vassalized. And not only did I merely vassalize, I sent nine thousand ducats to Berlin, a move that had virtually nothing to do with in-game interests and everything to do with revitalising a country that was left alone and defenseless. Essentially, Elizabeth died and Peter III took over. Prussia was spared.

And yes, you decided to preserve Prussia and to give him lots of cash. What does this mean? It means that you and Spain now have another ally. You'll probably finance him to rip apart Austria, and then join in on a 3-sided attack on France. But will anyone bitch about unfairness then? No... why? Because France will by that time have Nappy, and is then concidered as totally fair to gangbang...

I do agree that releasing most of The Americas is pretty harsh, though. But I fail to see how demanding Bearn back, a French core, is unbalancing and totally harsh... :rolleyes:

But do not mistake and take this as a war against Spain only. Russia is next.
 

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Hive,

Brash and bluster.

I DOWed at a convenient time, yes, but you're not the whole international community... And you know damn well Prussia isn't going to stay loyal for long.
 

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devil said:
Right Hive... you are full of it too, punish russia if you wan't to punish anyone, and I doubt prussia will stay are russian vassal. Its like " lets all rape spain, cause we don't dare landing in russia".... If you guys had any intension of saving prussia you would have invaded russia... instead you turn around and bitch about it later... its so easy...

You know damn well France is very powerfull in this game... had I been france, prussia and austria would be french vassals.... But guess i know this from now, you have changed your opinion on this matter, I remember a hive crying my icq full when I raped his venice in EU: TNG.. Maybe it is time to screw BoP for every means possible... I for one definiately won't be listening to your crap about me enforcing Bop anymore... Had you any backbone you would have defeated spain yourself...

Right. I'm getting pissed here. I really think you should shut the fuck up about a session you did not participate in, and therefore only know about it what you see written here.

How am I supposed to land troops in Russia? HOW? I can't. My puny fleet was destroyed by Spain in last war. The only thing I can do is to attack him throuogh Prussia, which I will do untill Prussia removes his MA - which I expect soon.

And you say that Prussia won't stay as a vassal of Russia.. well what the fuck do you know about that? As a matter of fact, HG made it pretty clear that he would be really pissed if the vassalization doesn't last throughout the game (understandable, I guess) - and Forzaa seemed to agree. And why wouldn't he, with 9k coming his way?

So I am now, in fact, more surrounded by enemies than ever before.

And it sure ain't me who is demanding that Spain release large areas. As a matter of fact, I don't even care if Spain keeps Münster as long as Prussia is a lacay of Russia.

As it is now: England, Portugal France vs. Spain and Russia - with Prussia and Austria eagerly waiting to jump in and help them, probably. And France will once again stand alone after this war.

That's hardly an unbalanced gangbang... but I wish my truce had expired before Prussia was run completely over.
 

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HolisticGod said:
Hive,

Brash and bluster.

I DOWed at a convenient time, yes, but you're not the whole international community... And you know damn well Prussia isn't going to stay loyal for long.

No, I'm not the whole internation community - but I'm the one who's taking fire here for supposedly ruining the game... so of course I defend my own actions.

And actually, I'm pretty convinced that Prussia will indeed stay loyal to you, and join in on the rediculous Nappy hype.
 

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Hive,

You're not taking fire from me. Off the record, you haven't done anything wrong.

And if you aren't keen on Napoleonic France and the forces aligned against you (though more people are concerned about this than you might think-there are many possibilities, including a Franco-Russo-Prussian alliance against the rest, a Franco-Ottoman alliance, etc), then by all means... Let's switch. I'd love to take a decent France into the Revolution for the first time in ages.
 

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HolisticGod said:
And if you aren't keen on Napoleonic France and the forces aligned against you (though more people are concerned about this than you might think-there are many possibilities, including a Franco-Russo-Prussian alliance against the rest, a Franco-Ottoman alliance, etc), then by all means... Let's switch. I'd love to take a decent France into the Revolution for the first time in ages.

I'm not scared and want to flee or anything. But I do think this Nappy scare is annoying. I've been hearing about it for the last 100 years... and I bet that I'll get invaded by most of my neighbours as soon as he arrives. I won't whine when that occurs - but I sure won't let my given enemies grow bigger and stronger before then...
 

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Right Hive,

You know damn well what I mean, I don't need to be in the game to know what is going on...

France can beat spain alone... that is a given...
England and Porto, can do a lot of damage on russia, with their navys they are a pest...
And I am sure you can convince OE to join in the war...

I know it aint you, but then you should force your allies to see the light...

And considering you can draw in OE I really don't think it will be unfair, if infact prussia and austria become russian allies.

then it would be england (monster rich) + porto ( monster rich) + france (huge+uber leaders) + oe ( huge + rich) vs. Russia (huge and semi rich) + prussia (small+poor) + austria (small+ poor) + Spain( big and rich)

I don't know why you think that should be unfair...
 

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Right Hive,

You know damn well what I mean, I don't need to be in the game to know what is going on...

France can beat spain alone... that is a given...
England and Porto, can do a lot of damage on russia, with their navys they are a pest...
And I am sure you can convince OE to join in the war...

I know it aint you, but then you should force your allies to see the light...

And considering you can draw in OE I really don't think it will be unfair, if infact prussia and austria become russian allies.

then it would be england (monster rich) + porto ( monster rich) + france (huge+uber leaders) + oe ( huge + rich) vs. Russia (huge and semi rich) + prussia (small+poor) + austria (small+ poor) + Spain( big and rich)

I don't know why you think that should be unfair...

Yes, I could have taken on Spain alone. BUT I cannot take on Spain AND Russia alone - and you don't honestly expect Russia to let me take Spain in a 1 on 1? Besides, like I keep saying: I also want to bash Russia for this, not just Spain. And I'm the only one in the alliance who have actually fought Russia in this war so far.

Why do you bring OE into the discussion? Why do you take it as granted that I can drag in OE? Or want to? OE doesn't seem interested in fighting Russia, but only Austria - so I have no use of OE, and thefore see no reason to ally him.
 

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Hive said:
Yes, I could have taken on Spain alone. BUT I cannot take on Spain AND Russia alone - and you don't honestly expect Russia to let me take Spain in a 1 on 1? Besides, like I keep saying: I also want to bash Russia for this, not just Spain. And I'm the only one in the alliance who have actually fought Russia in this war so far.

Why do you bring OE into the discussion? Why do you take it as granted that I can drag in OE? Or want to? OE doesn't seem interested in fighting Russia, but only Austria - so I have no use of OE, and thefore see no reason to ally him.
Fair enough...

I can ofcourse only guess OE will be on your side, since you assumed austria is on russia's side. it is the logic choise :)
 

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HolisticGod said:
I sent nine thousand ducats to Berlin,

hmm.. I think they got ambushed by highwaymen or something, iirc I received only 2000... (UNLESS you somehow managed to send me money without my treasury growing...)
 

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HolisticGod said:
B. Either Prussia's diplomacy was severely lacking in comparison to Russia's or the international community was disinterested in her fate (fair enough, but you can't turn around and bitch about it).

you tell me who COULD have intervened and could actually have made a difference.. ENG-POR, but too late, FRA truced, OE, they were in my alliance, how am I supposed to know BEFORE the fact that they have signed some sort of evil deal with Russia and prevent it from happening.. SWE was weakened by a genious AI-attrition-scheme (and otherwise would have stood little chance aswell) Austria had just seen OE trampling it..