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It's probably the loss of the long reign bonus when you created the kingdom title.

Yeah, I noticed that bit me in the ass opinions-wise. Does it apply directly to cities' willingness to send taxes as well?
 

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To be honest 65 per year for a kingdom like Sicily isn't that great, you should be making 20+ each month.

Wow! That's a lot of money.

Just to confirm: Before I made conquests on the Italian mainland, my realm was confined to the 5 Sicilian provinces, and this is where I was making 65 a year in the mid 1100s (about 4.5-5.5 per month depending on modifiers). Are you saying that if I had focussed on upgrading my own holdings I could have been making four times that?

What sort of upgrades are we talking? Mainly the donjon-->castle town ones?


OK, so for the detailed breakdown of what the heck happened:

You said that you undertook a series of conquests. Were these holy wars?

No. They were all enforcement of strong personal claims.

Has your capital remained in the same place?

Yes.

Have you created any dukes?

At first no, but a few years after founding the kingdom I handed over two of my duke titles to vassals (without giving up any of my demesne provinces). I still haven't actually created any duke titles (I can create one, but I'm a little reluctant to shell out almost 200 gold for it--is it worth it?).

Are the cities in question still part of your personal demense?

Yes.

Are there any recently conquered penalties in any of your counties?

Yes. On one or two of my new demesne provinces. But I thought these only affected the capital castle holding, no?


Thanks for the help in getting to the bottom of this. After acquiring some better demesne provinces on the Italian mainland, my income's now gone well above the original 65 (I think it's approaching 80 now). That seems much better, but I'd still love to know what happened so I can avoid it in future.
 

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I dont agree with this. Buy a harbour and a town market for each town to get them started, after that they will upgrade much faster.

That was my reasoning. I bought them lots of high-cash-yield upgrades in the hopes that they would use the income stream to buy a steady stream of upgrades on their own. I thought the tactic was working, but if 65 a year was only a quarter or so of what I should have been earning, then maybe not...:eek:o
 

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You really should ask this question in the CK2+ forum.

Intuition says it's a combination between losing a lot of opinion when you created the kingdom title and the effective loss of the EREs crown laws as Sicily's are now in effect. The problem with posting here is most responses are from the vanilla point of view which isn't necessarily relevant.
 

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Wow! That's a lot of money.

It's not that much, enough to pay for a few mercenary's wages each month.

I always start by prioritising upgrading the castle towns and the other one which gives an income boost (can't for the life of me remember what's it's called, second from the top). Build extra holdings too as soon as you can, especially in your capital. Use your chancellor to increase your tax take too, and if you can increase your city and church taxes. In my view the earlier you spend money on upgrading the more benefit you'll have from it. It's really worth putting all your early income that you can into it.
 

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Those opinions are not too negative. At 0, you get 100% taxes. So everything above -1 is fine. Dont let people tell you otherwise.

I dont agree with this. Buy a harbour and a town market for each town to get them started, after that they will upgrade much faster.

This is the truth.

As for upgrades, I got out the old calculator and did some math a while back. First building upgrade is your villiage in the castle. After that you buy the villiage and/or harbour for the town. It nets you slightly more gold over time(you have to also factor in build time because the castle upgrades take like a twice as long or something). Then you buy the wall palisade for castle and then the next castle villiage. Then I keep upgrading the town villiage/harbour Last money upgrade I do is for the bishopric.
A big reason you want to upgrade the towns/bishoprics villiages/harbours is because the AI won't buy those first. They purchase other upgrades that don't generate income. After you buy these money upgrades they will upgrade the rest on their own. They almost never buy anything until they have over 100g.
And if your ever in a pinch you can imprison and banish lets you take their gold.

Its pretty easy to keep a town mayor opinion in the positive. Once its positive they give full gold. The only thing more opinion gives you is more levy's.
One time my mayor died and the new one had like -70 opionin! His stats were horrible too! including 0 stewardship and 0 intrigue. Heh, I ploted to assasinate him and the plot % was like 3000% because the guy was 0 intrigue. Anyway, the next 2 mayors were equally as bad so I plotted and killed them until I got a mayor with a positive opinion.

You mentioned you just did some conquests. Do you have any fleets sitting around? They take up alot of gold.
 

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You probably inherited someone's depts. Which can happen. When your courtiers and vassals die(and you are their heir), you inherit their money, but you also inherit their negative cash amounts if they happen to have that :D
HAHAHA. So that's what that was.