Hero's Welcome question.

[Magnificent Genius]

So, in last patch, the open was ally Mamluks and anyone else you could get and jump on the Turk when they were engaged with someone else.

I decided to try and get this achievement now that the new patch has dropped, and I find myself facing a problem. The Mamluks no longer start friendly to you. I have restarted at least ten times, so it's probably not an issue that can be solved by rerolling until they are friendly.

So what should I do?

 

[PhoenixG]

Might be nice to tell us which country you play

 

[Magnificent Genius]

Might be nice to tell us which country you play

Hero's Welcome specifically requires you to play as Karaman.

 

[SaucyBaron]

Might be nice to tell us which country you play

He's playing Karaman since he's doing the karaman achievement

 

[Magnificent Genius]

So, no one has any help for me at all?

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

I suggest playing on Normal, so you can try and ally Hungary. Mamluks should still be willing to ally you, with a bit of luck. If you get both, Ottomans are toast

 

[Psychian]

wait for the patch or exile yourself and rebuild. can you see ming as karaman and become a tributary?

 

[Dominion]

You can ally the Ottoman Empire.

Ottoman ruler being a builder on the new patch and not having cores on you makes all starts around them a lot easier than before. After a while of riding their tail you turn on them and just bring it home.

They don't break alliance despite not getting any land if you play it right because that's how builders work.

Only reason I didn't take 100% WS from Mamluks was AE. Would've kicked Ottos into negatives which autobreaks alliances.

EDIT: Final screen

As for the tooltip in the third screen, Spain ended up getting a PU over both Russia and England with both being loyal and three different dynasties (starting with Trastamara, took Russia with Rurikovich, got England as Habsburgs).

 

[Magnificent Genius]

You can ally the Ottoman Empire.

Ottoman ruler being a builder on the new patch and not having cores on you makes all starts around them a lot easier than before. After a while of riding their tail you turn on them and just bring it home.

They don't break alliance despite not getting any land if you play it right because that's how builders work.

Only reason I didn't take 100% WS from Mamluks was AE. Would've kicked Ottos into negatives which autobreaks alliances.

EDIT: Final screen

As for the tooltip in the third screen, Spain ended up getting a PU over both Russia and England with both being loyal and three different dynasties (starting with Trastamara, took Russia with Rurikovich, got England as Habsburgs).

Thank you very much. That's exactly the sort of help I needed.

 

[Rabid]

If you're going the "ally Ottomans" strategy don't you need to give them provinces from that first war in order for them to stay happy? I was concerned that I would have to feed them lots of high value provinces and have been trying to find an alternate approach.

 

[Dominion]

Thank you very much. That's exactly the sort of help I needed.

If you're going the "ally Ottomans" strategy don't you need to give them provinces from that first war in order for them to stay happy? I was concerned that I would have to feed them lots of high value provinces and have been trying to find an alternate approach.

Depends on how you play it.

- Promising land without giving any marks you for 30 years. During this time you will be able to invite allies with favors, but can not promise land.
- Breaking the promise lowers trust with every nation you promised land. The maximum is -20. Can't lose more than that.
- 30 trust is an autobreak. You can avoid having them break the alliance if you play it right, but it isn't necessary, as soon as they're around 35 trust you can ally them again. Takes ~10 years.
- You neither need to keep the alliance nor do you need to get it again after they broke it. You can alternatively ally a few other nations before attacking Mamluks (purely for AE red) and take 100%. Them being a builder and you not having any cores means they will almost never attack you as long as Byzantium still exists. I've actually never seen it, but with EU4 you can never be absolutely sure unless you waste a whole Sunday.

No matter which path you choose you end up with severely weakened Mamluks, delayed Ottomans and everyone else in the region being weaker than you while also being a low AE region.

You can play it like any minor nation in India after the first war. Barely any difference.

EDIT: As a sidenote, I would look out for minors being allied by Mamluks. Sometimes you can set them as co-belligerent and take em as vassals. Makes for an even nicer opening (Vassalisation gives less AE than annexation).

 

[Rabid]

Oh, so rather than trying to have the OE as a friend long term you just abuse them in that first war and then ditch them? I guess that sounds like it could work.