Here be Dragons origin civ: subjugating, vassalizing, conquering?

[Walkaboutout]

So what do you all think will happen (or perhaps a dev who knows can enlighten us?) when you conquer, subjugate, or vassalize an empire who has the Here be Dragons origin?

I know we don't really know the details of this origin in general (things like what happens to the dragon as said empire gets stronger, what interactions are there, etc.), but I would really like to know, from my end, what happens when you do any of those things to an existing civ with the origin.

I figure conquering the civ altogether probably requires killing the dragon before you get there, and perhaps subjugating them does too. But what about vassalization? Can't wait for this species pack to get here

 

[TrotBot]

i assume that if you're a reanimator, you can have an undead space dragon

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

If you vassalize and the annex the empire its probably gonna turn hostile. I would guess its tuned towards the origin empire I would guess the programming will not allow to transfer the allegiance to the new empire.

I might be wrong though its pure speculation. Personally I hope its just going to vanish (it could travel into the L-Gates or something like that) or turn neutral.

 

[Celulthor]

We might have a precedent for this situation currently existing in the game: What happens when you conquer, subjugate or vassalize empire that has befriended certain dimensional horror (not Worm)?

 

[DeanTheDull]

So what do you all think will happen (or perhaps a dev who knows can enlighten us?) when you conquer, subjugate, or vassalize an empire who has the Here be Dragons origin?

I know we don't really know the details of this origin in general (things like what happens to the dragon as said empire gets stronger, what interactions are there, etc.), but I would really like to know, from my end, what happens when you do any of those things to an existing civ with the origin.

I figure conquering the civ altogether probably requires killing the dragon before you get there, and perhaps subjugating them does too. But what about vassalization? Can't wait for this species pack to get here

In conquest/subjugation/vassalization by force, you would have the kill the Dragon before you could occupy the planet. The way the AI is currently scripted you have to occupy all planets before the empire will accept total defeat, and otherwise you have to accept a status quo of keeping what you hold. To conquer the homeworld you'd need to conquer both the starbase and occupy the planet, overwhich the dragon is.

Peaceful vassalization is a separate question, but this is probably addressed by a bit of code that prevents them from accepting vassalization as long as they have their protector.

 

[Me_]

We might have a precedent for this situation currently existing in the game: What happens when you conquer, subjugate or vassalize empire that has befriended certain dimensional horror (not Worm)?

Or simplier, what happens if you hunt space fauna but subjugate someone who pacified them.

The leviathans, space fauna and so on are all separate factions with their own diplomacy (not shown to the player), and I would not expect the Dragon's stance to change in any way after subjugation.

 

[DeanTheDull]

Or simplier, what happens if you hunt space fauna but subjugate someone who pacified them.

The leviathans, space fauna and so on are all separate factions with their own diplomacy (not shown to the player), and I would not expect the Dragon's stance to change in any way after subjugation.

For the space fauna, I know for a fact that they'll become hostile.

Might have had an awkward moment when I incorporated someone who peacefully colonized the Amoeba home-system.

 

[Me_]

For the space fauna, I know for a fact that they'll become hostile.

Might have had an awkward moment when I incorporated someone who peacefully colonized the Amoeba home-system.

Then I would expect this to happen to the Dragon as well.
I personally never checked how this works.

 

[Dr. B]

All I know is that if the curators keep adressing the dragons as "last of its kind", then they need to get out into the universe again and look around, they are everywhere these days.

 

[TrotBot]

All I know is that if the curators keep adressing the dragons as "last of its kind", then they need to get out into the universe again and look around, they are everywhere these days.

not aquatic dragons

 

[Me_]

not aquatic dragons

The correct term is "sea dragon"

 

[Dr. B]

We should be able to raise the dragons like Chocobos and, idk, ride the small ones into battle or something.