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Playing as Switzerland in the grand campaign
Very hard / Furious - And best of all, no reloading!

Again, I freaking forgot to take notes, so I will concentrate on Good Ole Helvetia for the first part of this AAR and note more of the happenings of Europe in the next part... :D

Ah, I crack me up. :p
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I write these documents, knowing that they will be read by few, and none of them will know who the author was, yet still I feel pride about it. This will, if I am successful, be used in the teaching of apprentices of the Way, and thus I will finally contribute something worthy to the Cause.

For reasons unknown to me, the grand master of the Illuminatii has decreed that Switzerland shall be the base of our operations in Europe in times to come. That is why I was placed as advisor to the fat and obnoxious monarch of Helvetia, his royal majesty Tagsazung (what kind of a name for a king is that, anyway?). The goal was to expand Switzerland enough so that we would have enough manpower to further the Cause, and this within 20 years of the beginning of my meddling. I sent my private envoys to France, and since we have people of high rank in the French court, it was only a matter of time before we had persuaded Louis XII to allow us into his great alliance. With the might of France, Poland-Lithuania and Savoy to back us up, few would dare attack us, and fewer would be able to stand up to 'Das Schweizige Schweinhunde', as his majesty Tagsazung was often derisively called in the courts of the german citystates. Well, as history shows, they would not sneer for long.

Within months of the word from France, our troops were mobilized and sent to wage war on Baden, our first unfortunate victim. Fifteen thousand foot and ten thousand horse was enough to crush the army of Baden and take the fortress of Rastadt within six months of campaigning. Her allies, Thuringen, sent forces to aid their brethren, but to no avail, Baden ceased to exist as an independet state in the year of our lord, 1499. Thuringen was next, having spent her armies on fruitless skirmishes with the more motivated and better equipped Swiss soldiers. In december, '99, Erfurt fell to the Swiss Horde.
Annexing Baden and Thuringen was only the beginning however. Europe was not yet aware of the growing power of Zurich, but many a monarch would soon realize his mistake!
France declared war on England in 1502, seeking to retake Calais and humiliate the English bastards in the field. Since we could do nothing to aid our friends I decided that the army was in need of strengthening. Levies from our newly annexed territories swarmed to our flag, in need of more victorious leadership than their previous masters could provide. Unfortunately, my masters did not see it fit in their wisdom to provide me with a competent general. Ah well. I managed anyway, as you my dear reader know by now, facts in hand.
As a sidenot to the French-Anglo peacetreaty of 1504, one can only sneer at the fact that the new member of our alliance, Tunis, made a landing in southern Ireland and took Cork as their price. The English are indeed weaklings! The French spoils from the war consisted of Calais and Bristol. The indemnities also generously handed over by English nobles more than willing to end the war, were evenly distributed among our alliance, and immediately went into the coffers of the army.

This influx of money to the capital did not go unnoticed among the populance and a group of wealthy citizens decided to build a Museum of Art, to commemorate the glorious conquests of the Swiss armies.

To give you a feel for the sentiments in Zurich, I have added this entry from my diary:
Friday, 24th of March, In the year of our lord, 1505
Whispered rumors from trusted friends tell me that the peasants are beginning to call me 'The Victorious One', and this causes me some distress, as our king is a jealous and petty man. Ah well, if all goes as it must, I need not worry about that particular ass of a man.

During a dinnerparty somewhere in Hessen, 1506, the king of Hessen, His Royal Highness Philipp I, was said to have dropped some careless remarks about the looks of princess Brunhilde the daughter of Georg I, king of Saxony. This reportedly made the Saxon king so furious, he immediately ordered his troops into combat readyness and to 'kill, plunder and rape, until that (illegible german obscenity) begs my daughter's forgiveness'.
This could not please me more, as I was looking for a north-german province to add to our domains. As the Saxon troops and those of their ally, Hannover, marched on the capital of Hannover, Kassel, I chose to invade Munster. Slipping by the Saxon armies in smaller groups, we managed to enter Munster without unnessesary clashes. Within four months of bloody assaults in which more than six thousand brave Swiss were lost, we managed to take the fortress and accepted peace with Hessen, Philipp I being more than relieved to get off so lightly and with his head still firm on his neck!
When winter came, the Saxons decided they had had enough, and settled for indemnities and a written apology from the now totally humiliated Philipp I.

Two years of peace followed the exciting events in northern germany, and we used this time to improve the infrastructure of the empire. Unfortunately, we hade to take huge loans to do this, and it would take 10 years before we could repay them, meanwhile inflation got an ugly grip on our economy and the rent paid on the loans was pure usury. A royal decree stated that the Colognian merchants were to blame, and widespread riots started, where many of the aforementioned merchants were lynched. When the regent of Köln, Philipp II (incidentally, a cousin of that pathetic Hessian weakling) declared that Zurich would be burned to the ground and he would be there to watch it. Damn The Obece One for being so rash! Köln's major ally was Spain! In 1508, A full score thousand men, previously stationed in Franche-Comte, laid siege to Zurich!
However, the fortress held the spanish invaders long enough for relief forces to start pouring in from France. French forces battled the spanish in the lowlands for two years before peace came again. Meanwhile an army of fifteen thousand men from Köln assaulted my previously captured province of Munster, yet my army numbering five thousand brave Swiss managed to elude the germans and assault their capital!
As the daft germans realized their mistake, they turned about, only to be routed in a series of ambushes along the Cologne-Munster border.
The siege took a year, but in 1509, Köln fell to my forces. I did not accept peace yet, however, since my armies in Lothringen had not yet made sufficient headway for a profitable peacetreaty.
While the spaniards bled against the walls of Zurich, a joint French-Swiss force invaded Lorraine and Alscase. Since I had to divert a penal expedition to the rebellious peasants in Baden however, I could not commit all my forces in a war against Lothringen. Much to my dismay this inadvertently caused Louis XII to decide he had had enough of this fruitless war, and the death of his men. In the fall of 1509, France declared peace with Lothringen, and sent their forces south, to deal with the spanish threat in Gascogne. This was only a minor setback however, as the french had destroyed enough of the fortress in Metz to make it easier to take than finding a whorehouse in a spanish city. 1511 saw the annexation of Lothringen into the Swiss Emipire, and peace with the spaniards, paying only 9 ducats in indemnities (all that was left in our coffers; nonetheless, the weary spanish settled for it.)

The rest of Europe was finally coming to realize that Switzerland was now a force to be reckoned with, and for once, the diplomats were coming to us, instead of us sending them far and wide!

The king of Milan, claiming kinship with the peasant who ruled Lothringen, and wanting revenge for his death, sent a declaration of war to Zurich in 1512. At that point, I remember rubbing my hands togeather in glee, as we had just months before, through my envoys in Rome, added the Papal state to our alliance. Relations with the pope was especially good, and he reacted with lightning speed, sending the bulk of his army, sixty thousand men, to besiege Milan. We got there first, however, and in a copy of the manouever against the Colignians in 1508, Twenty thousand men laid siege to Milan while the intrepid italians vainly attempted to take Zurich. Annexing Milan was not a question to be taken lightly. Relations with most of catholic europe was at an all-time low. On the other hand, we had very good relations with Poland and the Pope, and Milan IS a very rich province, so I decided on annexation.

As I write this, I can feel the weariness in my bones. I have already selected my sucessor. May he be as successful as I have been, and may the Illuminatii reign true for all eternity!


VP so far:
Spain 466
Turkey 326
Me (Woohoo) 258
France 216
Russia 154
 

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umm, in exactly how many years did you manage to annex milan, baden, thuringen and lothringen?? if you're really playing at AI-furious, i'm beginning to seriously doubt the viability of playing as a minor--it does seem to screw how the AI works and responds to the player's strategy...
 

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Originally posted by tuna:
umm, in exactly how many years did you manage to annex milan, baden, thuringen and lothringen?? if you're really playing at AI-furious, i'm beginning to seriously doubt the viability of playing as a minor--it does seem to screw how the AI works and responds to the player's strategy...

I fully agree with you, the minors especially the ones with only one province are immune to adverse results and can capitalize to the weakness of their neighbours. Definitly, the game hasn't been designed to play in that way, at least for solo games. Even if it's funny anyway.

Anyway a nicely written AAR. :)
 

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In all the AAR's that I have seen played with one province nations (Knights of Rhodes, Granada, Switzerland), the capital province is never occupied by enemy troops so it wouldn't matter if they were annexable or not. The player would achieve the same level of success either way.
 

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As Zurich was besieged at least two times, I find nothing wrong with the enemy AI here.
Zagys: About the AI allegedly never occupying the player-controlled minors capital province: That´s not true. There was at least this Bohemian AAR of Sapura where he actually lost his last province and gave up accordingly.
I think the only real problem is 'AI furious', which tends to lead to strange results. Some players think that 'AI furious' is the hardest level for the human player, but I think it´s not. The AI plays much better on normal or aggressive IMHO.

Hartmann

Edit: I just realised, that Zagys referred to 'one province minors'. He´s right there concerning the AARs so far. I think that this is a mere coincidence, though.

[This message has been edited by Hartmann (edited 16-11-2000).]
 

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I will attempt the same at another AI setting, maybe things will be different...

Anywhoo, the trick to this game is getting powerful enough allies to divert some of your enemies, and strive to never fight wars on multiple fronts. It has worked for me thus far...

Make 'em bleed on your fortress walls and take the war to their own turf. Go Karl XII!
 

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Playing a tiny minor is not easy in the long run, trust me. You have to take a lot of loans and bankruptcy is a real danger. Inflation runs rampant and your research will suffer in the early years.

You can fight successful wars early on, but since most of your territory is annexed you will have revolts flaring everywhere in every prolonged (more than 3 years or so) war. Nations you have conquered might very well declare independence again.

Furthermore, your lack of historic generals will prevent you from fighting rebellions effectively since the rebel mob is, in a word, better than your crack troops. :)

In the later stages of the game, you will be toast if a strong alliance (say, Russia-Austria or Spain-Austria) attacks you or if you happen to get the 'civil war' event.

(Unless you reload, of course.)

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Grüezi Jinxed, as being born in Baden (and being a real nationalist)I'm a little bit worried about your conquest of my fair motherland :) But you did well.
Btw the Tagsatzung is the diet of the Swiss cantons. They've never been a monarchy.

Bless ye.
 

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Hei Feldmarschall,

where is you're familiy coming from. This is definitley OT, but I'm simply curious.

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Thanks for the input, TomHas. I did not know most of what you told me (except that I did a good job :D)
This really puts Switzerland at the top of my list of ultimate democracies...


Anywoo, monarchy of no monarchy... no matter. Switzerland is now an Empire, and We treat Our subjects well as long as they make No Fuzz. Unfortunately, Baden revolted three times during the course of that AAR, so We had to teach them what's what. Maybe in this version of history, you wouldn't even have been born because of the cruelty of Our troops. Who knows? ;)

I will treat them well in the future though, they seem to have learned their lesson. :D
 

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Well this shows again that there is so much truth in this game. We've been always a little bit more revolutionary than the other Germans. At least in the 1840s!!!

Bless ye
 

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Good job. Very smart getting a superpower in your back pocket to start with. Were relations good in the beginning or did you have to buy them nice gifts?

General question to whoever wants to answer. Is it harder (more expensive) to get the major powers to be friendly than it is the minor ones?
 

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France and Switzerland start out with good relations, so an alliance was no problem (Stupid French, I will only use them for cannonfodder, muhahahaha). I've found it to be one of the best strategies overall, to ally with a major landpower (France, Spain, Turkey) when playing a minor or one of the less fortunate major powers, since the help they lend when at war more than covers the drawbacks of being constantly pulled into wars you don't really want to fight. (You still profit from them, generally, as you get part of the indemnities...)

And on another note, I've not really noticed any difference beteween bribing majors and minors.
A difference that IS important, however, is sending aid when the bribee is at war. This help immensely, espescially if they are being licked.

Also, I have noticed that sometimes your bribes do very little in way of improving your relations, this is appearantly due to the diplomatic skill of your regent and random factors, but I suspect that other factors come into play aswell (previous grievances). One of the betatesters who was actually active could probably answer this one better... :D
 

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apologies if I'm being redundant, but what kind of 'monarchs' are the Swiss supplied with? Any notable leaders? Did the Confederation have single rulers at this point? Would be interested in exactly how thoroughly non-monarchs are represented in EU... (leaders of Venice, Teutonic Order, Tuscany, Helevetia, and of course theoretical states like Eire or Ukraine)

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Originally posted by Mariani:
apologies if I'm being redundant, but what kind of 'monarchs' are the Swiss supplied with? Any notable leaders? Did the Confederation have single rulers at this point? Would be interested in exactly how thoroughly non-monarchs are represented in EU... (leaders of Venice, Teutonic Order, Tuscany, Helevetia, and of course theoretical states like Eire or Ukraine)


Doing justice to the Swiss political situation would actually take a separate game altogether.

They did not have a single ruler at any time during the EU period, nor before that or after. In fact, the country 'Helvetia' as such did not exist until 1848. Before that the thing 'Helvetia' consisted of some 15 completely independent countries (today's cantons, or states) who had a very informal agreement to stand together when under attack. However, the standing together was by no means automatic, but had to be negotiated every time.

In defense, the system worked well enough, the last time when Burgundy tried to conquer the Swiss and fell apart as a result. When it came to sharing the spoils of such a war, or when some Swiss wanted to go on the offensive, internal jalousy (mainly between Zurich and Berne) prevented effective, or even coordinated action, even though it may be argued that the Swiss army was among the best in the 15th century.

In EU, the Swiss government is the Landtag. This in fact was the 'parliament' of the day, however their main tasks were to renew the commitment of the Swiss to stand together when any one member was under attack and to try to coordinate offensive expeditions. The Landtag did not however have any power, which rested 100% with the 15 odd countries.

Another thing hard to model in EU is the fact that the Swiss did not have a standing army at all. Instead, in times of emergency the various member countries would draft an ad hoc army from their respective realms and send it to the hot spot. Once gathered, every army in principle kept its very own high command, resulting in effect in an army without leadership. Such an army would be infantry only, since there were no nobles to staff a cavalary army. Cannons also did not really exist, the Swiss liked to used captured ones against their ennemies. Since many Swiss served as mercenaries in France and other places, the militia did in fact have quite enough military training to be efficient enough to give any power a good run for their money.

All military actions of the Swiss states practically ceased after 1515 when they took a beating from France's Francois I (I believe) when trying to re-conquer Milano. They were beaten mainly because half of the Swiss army was ordered to return home before the battle started. Even so, the battle took a few days to resolve. After that, the Swiss more or less stayed within their borders and concentrated on making money...

btw. French king Francois felt his victory over the Swiss was important enough to warrant his minting coins stating (in Latin, which words I forget) that he was the first victor over the Swiss in history (which in fact was true).

An interesting side note is that not only did the Swiss not have to cede land, but France actually agreed to pay quite a big indemnity immediatly, and on top to continue sending yearly pensions to selected Swiss countries in order to conclude peace. France was very interested in having continued access to Swiss mercenaries, wich the got by paying these sums.

well, enough ranting,

/zwingli
 

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on top of French subsidies, some Catholic 'districts' in today SE Switzerland (Valtellina) received hefty sums from Spain in order to have free access from Milano to the other side of the Alps and securing thus the 'Spanish road' to Flanders. Spanish evacuated the Valtellina after the Munster Treaty i think.
a kind of capitalist accumulation, i guesss... ;)

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