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If I want to have a private conversation in an otherwise public thread, is it acceptable to label the post "PRIVATE" or something of that sort? Or should I create a Private thread for that discussion.

The concrete example is this: I've created the law firm thread, which is open. If I want to talk with a client on matters that might be private, I'd prefer to do it there then to clutter up the forums with a Private Office thread.
All posts in public threads will be considered public; things would be too difficult to monitor if we had to keep track of the access status of individual posts (it's work-intensive enough to keep track of the status of threads :)). If you want to have a private conversation with a client, I'd suggest to use pm - always a good place to go if someone wants to keep something out of the prying public eye. :)
 

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I assume that matters like debt are also not yet decided upon?
Personal debt, no. The division of government debt has been settled (see fiscal data) - but of course, there *could* be problems with that in the future. Not saying there will be, just speaking hypothetically. :)
 

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I'd like GM input on this thread

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164779

This is basically the conclusion of my transition story, but it may get interesting. Basically, what I need to know is:
1. How many people, not counting Terrorists, were killed in the CORE fighting (Farpoint PD + Militia)
2. If it would be against the rules for me to control a few NPC clergypersons for the purposes of the thread (the NPCs would become GM property or fade into the background afterwards).

If the answer to #2 is Yes, it'd be against the rules then I'd need a GM to do the actual service, if its no and you've got an idea on how many fatalities there'd be then I can do it and save you the work.
 

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Here is a question.

MESA is supposed to also be in charge of Sports. Is this...

A. Professional Sports Only
B. Professional and Amatuer Sports
C. Professional and Amatuer Sports including School Sports

Or a combination I haven't thought of?
 

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Deaghaidh said:
I'd like GM input on this thread
The GM will go into conclave and deliberate. Watch for the plume of off-white smoke. :)
Amric said:
MESA is supposed to also be in charge of Sports. Is this...

A. Professional Sports Only
B. Professional and Amatuer Sports
C. Professional and Amatuer Sports including School Sports

Or a combination I haven't thought of?
*closes eyes and throws dart, then checks out the board* Well, looks like it's B. :D

Seriously: in my understanding, school sports would fall under education (provincial responsibility), but the regulation of amateur sports would be considered part of the general sports portfolio. So it's B. :)
 

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So does that mean MESA is also in charge of the EOC<Eutopia Olympic Committee>?

I have to agree that school sports should be under education. I had hoped that would be the case for Eutopia.
 

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So does that mean MESA is also in charge of the EOC<Eutopia Olympic Committee>?
Yes. :)
 

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*waits in quiet contemplation :)*

Working on it with the other GMs :)

If it's helpful, the short answer is "Yes your charcter can come back", but the kicker is "You can't come back from the dead without some....complications. It's those that we are working out.

If the reports of Per Fox's death were "greatly exaggerated" then watch the NEWSLINK for word of his return. And PM me exactly HOW he disappeared and HOW you plan on making his return.
 

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I'd like GM input on this thread

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164779

This is basically the conclusion of my transition story, but it may get interesting. Basically, what I need to know is:
1. How many people, not counting Terrorists, were killed in the CORE fighting (Farpoint PD + Militia)
2. If it would be against the rules for me to control a few NPC clergypersons for the purposes of the thread (the NPCs would become GM property or fade into the background afterwards).

If the answer to #2 is Yes, it'd be against the rules then I'd need a GM to do the actual service, if its no and you've got an idea on how many fatalities there'd be then I can do it and save you the work.


1. Here are the numbers:
- 18 victims (police & citizens)in first CORE attacks (when they took hostages), no CORE casualties
- 24 victims (police, citizens, & militia) in the attack on the Valahalla Club, including Deaghaidh, 16 terrorists killed.
- 4 militia killed in first militia engagement w/CORE, 18 rebels killed.
- 0 military killed in liberation of hostages, 12 rebels killed
- 8 militia killed in final confrontation with CORE leadership, 52 terrorists wiped out.


2. Based on this thread, we'll make an exception and so long as the Clergy simply speak and do not interact with charcters you may post what they say in your posts as part of the ceremony, for this thread only.

- heagarty
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So when are elections, exactly? I know we've all been bandying about the idea of a couple weeks, but I'd really like to know. I have things planned and I would like to know how to space out what I am doing....I'm ready for the process to begin, believe it or not!
 

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So when are elections, exactly?
The timeframe has not changed - so it's about 2.5 weeks after restart.
 

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A question that arose from the Townhall. Is there EUtopian Military Personell detained in the secession states?
 

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HJ Tulp said:
A question that arose from the Townhall. Is there EUtopian Military Personell detained in the secession states?

A related question/supposition is what we lost in the secession. I've got a hypothesis, based on our now-ancient military rolls:

Military Organization Documents said:
Army HQ is in Eutopia city.
1st armoured corps
2 armoured divisions (1 in Eutopia city, 1 in Hafnia)
1 mechanized infantery division (in Neuwestbaden)
1 Attack helicopter battalion (in Eutopia city)
1 Command battalion (in Eutopia city)
1 Intellegence battalion (in Eutopia city)
1 Support regiment (in Eutopia city)

2nd Infantery corps (motorized, 6x6 trucks)
3 Infantery divisions (1 in New Lancaster city, 1 in Chateauvallon, 1 in St Brendanstown
1 Command battalion (based in New Lancaster city)
1 Intellegence battalion (based in New Lancaster city)
1 Supply regiment (based in New Lancaster city)

3rd Infantery corps (motorized, 6x6 trucks)
3 Infantery divisions (1 in St Martin de porres, 1 in Buen Puerto, 1 in Fort-aux-Francais)
1 Command battalion (based in St Martin de porres)
1 Intellegence battalion (based in St Martin de porres)
1 Supply regiment (based in St Martin de porres)

2 Mountain ranger brigades (1 in Farpoint, 1 in a small city in WET)

1 Airborne regiment (in Eutopia city)
2 Transport helicopter battalion (in Eutopia city)

So here, it looks like we lost the third infantry corps to Tilapia and St. Esprit, but none of our advanced equipment (helicopters, tanks, and APCs) went with them.

Military Organization Documents said:
The Airforce HQ is in Eutopia city.

10 airbases (1 in Eutopia city, 1 in Harton, 1 in Nueva Córdoba , 1 in Spalding, 1 in Villefranche, 1 in Montaigu, 1 on Isla Real, 1 in the northwest part of WET, 1 in New Lancaster city, 1 in Neuwestbaden)
5 AD battalions (1 in Eutopia city, 1 in Buen Puerto, 1 in Hurteau, 1 in New Lancaster city, 1 in Nueva Córdoba)

Since the only airbase we lost was the one on Isla Real, which is one of the most isolated, and since we know for a fact that our air force is basically immobile, I figure we lost a minimal amount of equipment here -- maybe a couple squadrons of F-5A Freedom Fighters (12 aircraft), and given its remote location possible some recon, rescue and cargo craft -- say two each of C-130, RF-8, and CH-3. (These are probably centralized in squadrons, but it makes sense that some of them would be down there regularly.)

We also lost the Buen Puerto AD battalion -- assuming they're equally divided, with that would go a Hawk battery, 18 Bofors AAA, and 12 81mm mortars. Our training aircraft are all in friendly hands, though (presumably sitting on the tarmac at Eutopia City.)

Military Organization Documents said:
The Navy HQ is in Buen Puerto.
3 naval bases (1 in Buen Puerto , 1 in New Lancaster city, 1 in Hurteu)
2 Carrier groups (in Buen Puerto)
3 ASW groups (1 in Buen Puerto, 1 in New Lancaster city, 1 in Hurteu)
2 Minewarfare groups(1 in New Lancaster city, 1 in Buen Puerto)
2 Submarine groups (1 based in New Lancaster city, 1 in Buen Puerto)
1 Supply group (split between New lancaster city and Buen Puerto)
1 Amphibius group (based in Hurteu)
1 Marine infantery regiment (based in Hurteu)

Here we lost a great deal more. The Buen Puerto naval base is in Tilapian hands, along with most of our capital ships. Tulp's documents may have more specifics; I'm just guessing here, but I figure:

Each carrier group: 1x Essex, 2x Farragut DDG, 3x Knox FF, 1x Perry FF, 1x Upholder, 2x Oberon, entire naval aviation arm (between the two) -- both lost to Tilapia

Each ASW group: 1x Perry, 2x Knox -- one lost to Tilapia (of three)

Each minesweeper group: 5x minesweepers -- one lost to Tilapia (of two)

Each sub group: 1x Upholder, 3x Oberon -- one lost to Tilapia (of two)

One of our supply ships was probably in NLC, the other in Buen Puerto, and the fleet oiler would probably be with the carriers, so also in BP. The Marines and their transports remain in UPE hands in Hurteau. Oh, and the Bismarck was probably at Naval HQ in Buen Puerto, for all the value that has. ;)

So here's how I'm envisioning the current military situation:

St. Esprit: 1 motorized divison (Fort-aux-Francais)

Tilapia: 2 motorized infantry divisions, a supply regiment, command battalion, and intel battalion; a small (grounded) airforce, as above; 2x Essex, 4x Farragut, 3x Perry, 8x Knox, 3x Upholder, 7x Oberon, 5x minesweepers, 1 supply ship, 1 fleet oiler, and the naval air arm (possibly also grounded.)

UPE: Everything else.

... which leaves the UPE in (relatively) good shape in every quarter except for the navy. Again, all supposition, but I think I can make a good case for any of my assumptions.

Now, whether any of the crews or troops are being held against their will is up to the GMs. I tend to doubt it; the military did, after all, refuse to attack the secessionists, and presumably those troops stationed in what are now foreign lands had their families there (though that wouldn't apply to conscripts, I suppose.) In any case, I would imagine a lot of people 'defected' to the new nations on their formation.

ADDENDUM: Also note that one of the Tilapia OH Perries is presumably sitting disabled in Buen Puerto harbor after a catastrophic explosion that no one ever got around to fixing.
 

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Well firstly I think we can't loose whole corpses or divisions as they are all probably mixed. THe equipement however is in our hands offcourse :)

Secondly I think the 'Tilapian' Perry is in UPE hands but should be taken of the Tilapian 'list'. It was IIRC a Perry from BP but was towed to NLC.
 

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I'd imagine a division is probably spread out across a province, but since the new states seceded by province, presumably the entire division stationed there would go away. Now, granted, a battalion provisionally attached to the San Martin division could conceivably have been stationed in Jacobia, but for the sake of simplicity it seems easier to assume that didn't happen (since then theoretically a Jacobian division could be in Isabela, and everything would balance out in the end anyway.)

Good point about the Undeniable -- I thought in the GCMR you insisted it was rotting in Buen Puerto's harbor, but I could be mistaken. I'll have to go back and find Idio's thread...
 

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I am working on this now. Thanks for the spreadsheet, Tulp. :)

Some divisions will remain united, Eutopians defecting to new nations where they are stationed, while some Tilapians and St. Espritians stationed in Eutopia may want to remain in Eutopia. Likewise, some natives that have found themselves suddenly in another country will want to return.

These are all things to be decided between the governments. For the record, no one is being detained but no one is being "released" either. For the most part, everyone in the military realizes this is a unique situation and are disciplined enough to let it be resolved by the new governments before taking any action or petitioning for any relief.
 

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heagarty said:
I am working on this now. Thanks for the spreadsheet, Tulp. :)

Some divisions will remain united, Eutopians defecting to new nations where they are stationed, while some Tilapians and St. Espritians stationed in Eutopia may want to remain in Eutopia. Likewise, some natives that have found themselves suddenly in another country will want to return.

These are all things to be decided between the governments. For the record, no one is being detained but no one is being "released" either. For the most part, everyone in the military realizes this is a unique situation and are disciplined enough to let it be resolved by the new governments before taking any action or petitioning for any relief.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, now that's interesting :)
Hawk, well I'm going to try and find the old thread of Jove.
 

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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, now that's interesting :)
Hawk, well I'm going to try and find the old thread of Jove.

Actually, while looking for something else I discovered that the Undeniable was towed to Farpoint immediately after the explosion. Whether it stayed there or was escorted on to an actual naval yard is a different question, though if the latter it would be logical that it was moved to New Lancaster, since it's considerably closer than Buen Puerto. Ergo, in either case I would assume you're right, and the (albeit damaged) Undeniable remains in UPE hands.
 
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