Help with the new patch (1.06)

[MaximusII]

Hi,
usually I'm really good at Hearts of Iron but since I intstlled the new patch I think the game has become much harder I usually play with the Germans and normally (Without 1.06) I can defeat poland with in an month, but now I think I can't get my army up in time please help me...
can some one tell me what I'm doing wrong here...

 

[unmerged(15561)]

How many panzer divisions do you have ready by then? How many groups? Where are they positioned?

Do you have allies?

What air groups do you have?

This is my plan on very hard/furious, 1936.

5x3 ARM (Various bri)
2 - Elbing (next to Konisburg) to attack Torun
2 - South of Landsberg to atk Czechoswaka (sp??)
1 (original) in Landsberg to attack Berszchow (sp??) to connect mainland Germany,

Use 6-8x2 INF-A and 1 INF stacks to attack from behind the panzers and wipe out the troops encircled.

I use
1x4 Basic DIvs
1x4 preWar Tacts
1x3 preWar Tacts
1x4 basic Tacts
to support my troops

Have 1x3 MAR(var bri) to attack Danzig from Settin.

 

[Gunny123]

Hi,
usually I'm really good at Hearts of Iron but since I intstlled the new patch I think the game has become much harder I usually play with the Germans and normally (Without 1.06) I can defeat poland with in an month, but now I think I can't get my army up in time please help me...
can some one tell me what I'm doing wrong here...

Their are a lot of threads on how to play Germany, just go back a couple days and you will find a lot of topics that will help.

Easy fast tips:

#1 I start building infantry divs from the start. start the game by building 40 divs. Then put your IC to 70% tech and 30% building your inf divs. Keep what ever IC you need for supplies and consumer goods as well.

#2 Research only techs you need. Pick one style of fighter and stick with it. I go with intespters. Don't wast IC on crappy techs that you don't need, like heavy bombers or navy techs.

#3 Don't build any armor until you finish researching the basic type of tank you want. Some people like light tanks some med some heavy, I research med tanks and once my basic is researched then I start to build them. They usually start rolling off the line in time for France but not in time for Poland. I normally attack Poland with Inf only.

#4 If you keep building your Inf and wait to build your planes and tanks until your first prototypes are done you should have around 100 to 120 inf divs to attack Poland and beat them easy. Then your good stuff will start rolling off the line in Oct or Nov 39 in time to mop the floor with France and then attack who you like

#5 as each year roles by add more IC to building and less to techs, by 1939 you should be around 50-50 or 60-40 in favor of production.

 

[MaximusII]

1.How many panzer divisions do you have ready by then? 2.How many groups? 3.Where are they positioned?

4.Do you have allies?

5.What air groups do you have?

This is my plan on very hard/furious, 1936.

5x3 ARM (Various bri)
2 - Elbing (next to Konisburg) to attack Torun
2 - South of Landsberg to atk Czechoswaka (sp??)
1 (original) in Landsberg to attack Berszchow (sp??) to connect mainland Germany,

Use 6-8x2 INF-A and 1 INF stacks to attack from behind the panzers and wipe out the troops encircled.

I use
1x4 Basic DIvs
1x4 preWar Tacts
1x3 preWar Tacts
1x4 basic Tacts
to support my troops

Have 1x3 MAR(var bri) to attack Danzig from Settin.

Okej
1. hmm, I have about 21 panzer divisions, three under the command of Guderian to attack Danzig, 8 normal panzer divins and one Brigade under the command of Rommel to attack the two provinses benith Danzig to starve it out, and then move towards Warsaw, and then I have 8 normal panzer divisions and one brigade under the command of von Manstein to attack Krakow and Lublin.

2. Thats about three panzer groups, right? and many infantry groups.

3. I don't rember the names of their positions. My Infantry is on the western front, defending med from the allies and one infantry group with two or three division are in Berlin and a few other are where the borders of Czecoslovakia in Leipzig and Nürberg. And one ot two groups in Elbing and Köningsberg. And my air division is a little every where, hehe . And my navys is in their ports.

4. Yes, Normally it's Hungary, Slovakia and Italy.

5. Fighters and Bombers.

Well thanks for the help, but I have a two more questions: What leaders (In my government) should I have, should I build a Navy as Germany starts doing i this new patch?.

Well I trie to build my army fast but my Panzers go real slow I don't know why! I can just build a few like four or five at the time.

 

[MaximusII]

Their are a lot of threads on how to play Germany, just go back a couple days and you will find a lot of topics that will help.

Easy fast tips:

#1 I start building infantry divs from the start. start the game by building 40 divs. Then put your IC to 70% tech and 30% building your inf divs. Keep what ever IC you need for supplies and consumer goods as well.

#2 Research only techs you need. Pick one style of fighter and stick with it. I go with intespters. Don't wast IC on crappy techs that you don't need, like heavy bombers or navy techs.

#3 Don't build any armor until you finish researching the basic type of tank you want. Some people like light tanks some med some heavy, I research med tanks and once my basic is researched then I start to build them. They usually start rolling off the line in time for France but not in time for Poland. I normally attack Poland with Inf only.

#4 If you keep building your Inf and wait to build your planes and tanks until your first prototypes are done you should have around 100 to 120 inf divs to attack Poland and beat them easy. Then your good stuff will start rolling off the line in Oct or Nov 39 in time to mop the floor with France and then attack who you like

#5 as each year roles by add more IC to building and less to techs, by 1939 you should be around 50-50 or 60-40 in favor of production.

1. This can be hard beacuse I don't have enough IC to bouild 40 infantry divisons (I think).

2. I do the same.

3. ok, I trie to Have at least 3 Panzer armies before I attack Poland.

4. I Almost Do The Same, Well Read The Thing In The Line Before.

5. Ok, for me its always like if I start building divisions and reaserch at the same time well then my people gets pissed beucuse they don't get their consumer goods and angry Germans isn't to play with .

 

[Gunny123]

1. This can be hard beacuse I don't have enough IC to bouild 40 infantry divisons (I think).

2. I do the same.

3. ok, I trie to Have at least 3 Panzer armies before I attack Poland.

4. I Almost Do The Same, Well Read The Thing In The Line Before.

5. Ok, for me its always like if I start building divisions and reaserch at the same time well then my people gets pissed beucuse they don't get their consumer goods and angry Germans isn't to play with .

Set the consumer goods and supplies to what ever you need and lock them in so those sliders don't change unless you change them. Then research all you need and build all you need. This will send those sliders into the red. You will not have enough IC for them but that is okay. It will continue to build the ones you have IC for and then move onto the next as each finishs. This way you don't have to mico manage the building que. If you need something fast like say some fighters just build them then go into the building que and prioritize them to the top so all IC goes into them first. Hope that helps.

P.S. I have found that stacks of 5 inf divs works good for me. I put a stack on each of my lands that are next to Poland except the one next to Danzig i put two stacks. Then I put the rest of my army in the shouthern provence next to Poland. I attack in the South and follow the route that leads to Warsaw without crossing any rivers. Once you start to advance a little they will pull troops from Danzig and you can use those two stacks and one from Elbe to take Danzig.

 

[MaximusII]

Set the consumer goods and supplies to what ever you need and lock them in so those sliders don't change unless you change them. Then research all you need and build all you need. This will send those sliders into the red. You will not have enough IC for them but that is okay. It will continue to build the ones you have IC for and then move onto the next as each finishs. This way you don't have to mico manage the building que. If you need something fast like say some fighters just build them then go into the building que and prioritize them to the top so all IC goes into them first. Hope that helps.

P.S. I have found that stacks of 5 inf divs works good for me. I put a stack on each of my lands that are next to Poland except the one next to Danzig i put two stacks. Then I put the rest of my army in the shouthern provence next to Poland. I attack in the South and follow the route that leads to Warsaw without crossing any rivers. Once you start to advance a little they will pull troops from Danzig and you can use those two stacks and one from Elbe to take Danzig.

Okej, thanks I will try that...
but can you defeat Poland with in a month with this tactic?

 

[unmerged(3221)]

Build 3 inf div on a continuous basis starting on January 1, 1936 and you will have enough inf when war starts with the Danzig crisis.

In the west I defend with 12, 6, and 9 against France. Then 1 or 2 inf on the other western borders. I have about 40 to 45 inf to attack Poland along with 7 Pz div and 5 motor inf div plus 2 para and 7 basic tac bombers. Poland will fall in a month though bad weather can slow things up.

Danzig can be taken with about 6 div by just marching from Stettin which takes almost 2 weeks. Danzig is encircled by then. I attack into Torin from Elbing & Konigsberg while my mobile div and inf simultaneously attack the other western Poland border provinces. At some point you do need to attack across rivers, but either mobile div with eng bde or inf with the two river crossing techs have no problem with that. I also try to encircle Warsaw before attacking it so that I get the maximum benefit from the attacks.

Playing standard 1.06 on very hard.

 

[unmerged(15561)]

John's method is good, but you shouldnt need any other than the ones gained from Austria (although this isnt a certainty), the real deal is having the necessary panzers to attack Torun and Byzowchw (sp??) and Czechostow(sp??) then onto Warsaw, Lodz and Krakow.

Danzig and the wstern Polish lands should be cutoff.

Dont bother with the forest areas in the deep south, from Krokow, link up int Warsaw and take Lwow. Buy this time you should have danzig pocket, Polish Wst pocket and the forest in the south pocket. Warsaw should be the last to be taken though or the capital will relocate,

With luck you wont even need to fight those pockets once you take the VP provinces inc. Danzig. They will be trapped when you annex.

 

[korny]

You should easliy be able to have 100-150 inf divisons by 1939 if you just put about 30 ic into new units from the start..

1. I start game.
2. Set the unit IC to 30.
3. I put 22 inf ART divs in the Q.
4. I put 22 inf AT divs in the Q.
5. Usually wait for more man power.
6. I put 22 inf AA divs in the Q.
7. Wait for more man power.
8. I put 30 inf ENG divs in the Q.
9. Set the unit IC to about 50.
10. Evenutually have to upgrade the austrian troops and I bump them to the top of the Q.
11. I can usually upgrade my fighters to basic interceptors and some tanks from MG Light to 40mm Lights or 50mm-70mm Meds - bump them to top of Q..
12. In 1939 - Set the unit IC to 80-100 to make sure the builds get done.
13. Cut research and bump all inf/art/land doctrine tech to top of research Q.
14. There in 1939 you will have about 140 inf divs counting the 30 or so you start with about 12 from Austria and the 96 you build...
15. By the time im done with Poland, I an usually get a few more tac bombers and a few tanks built and im ready for France.

I usaully setup my info armies like this - 1 ART/1 AT/1 AA/1 ENG/2 REG INF
by 1939 I have 20-22 of these armies ready each one lead by a FM..

This is 90% of the INF you will need for the whole game - you will need to build defenders for France but after this point you can just build:

Tanks(80mm adv meds - armies of 4 divs - 1 ART/1 AT/1 AA/1 ENG lead by a FM)

Mech - armies of 4 divs - (1 ART/1 AT/1 AA/1 ENG lead by a FM)

And Air power(Tacs/Ftrs/Some Naval Bombers) for the rest of the game...

With this setup, I have not found a situation I couldnt deal with..

For the USSR I line up the infantry armies and slowly advance forward while my mech and armor encircle/support the inf/deal with hot spots...

 

[unmerged(15561)]

You should easliy be able to have 100-150 inf divisons by 1939 if you just put about 30 ic into new units from the start..

1. I start game.
2. Set the unit IC to 30.
3. I put 22 inf ART divs in the Q.
4. I put 22 inf AT divs in the Q.
5. Usually wait for more man power.
6. I put 22 inf AA divs in the Q.
7. Wait for more man power.
8. I put 30 inf ENG divs in the Q.
9. Set the unit IC to about 50.
10. Evenutually have to upgrade the austrian troops and I bump them to the top of the Q.
11. I can usually upgrade my fighters to basic interceptors and some tanks from MG Light to 40mm Lights or 50mm-70mm Meds - bump them to top of Q..
12. In 1939 - Set the unit IC to 80-100 to make sure the builds get done.
13. Cut research and bump all inf/art/land doctrine tech to top of research Q.
14. There in 1939 you will have about 140 inf divs counting the 30 or so you start with about 12 from Austria and the 96 you build...
15. By the time im done with Poland, I an usually get a few more tac bombers and a few tanks built and im ready for France.

I usaully setup my info armies like this - 1 ART/1 AT/1 AA/1 ENG/2 REG INF
by 1939 I have 20-22 of these armies ready each one lead by a FM..

This is 90% of the INF you will need for the whole game - you will need to build defenders for France but after this point you can just build:

Tanks(80mm adv meds - armies of 4 divs - 1 ART/1 AT/1 AA/1 ENG lead by a FM)

Mech - armies of 4 divs - (1 ART/1 AT/1 AA/1 ENG lead by a FM)

And Air power(Tacs/Ftrs/Some Naval Bombers) for the rest of the game...

With this setup, I have not found a situation I couldnt deal with..

For the USSR I line up the infantry armies and slowly advance forward while my mech and armor encircle/support the inf/deal with hot spots...

What level are you playing at?

So you basically dont build at full strength, rather disperse the IC you do have across divisions built at less that 100% eff?

Interesting, I guess with Germany being the cataylst to the war then you really can afford to wait until you DOW. I wouldnt use it myself, as I see it as an exploit, but its nevertheless a clever way of getting the most of the limited IC you put into production.

Lately Ive been playing a mildy historic way with GERmany, in that I dont tech rush or powerplay. Instead have a additional bombers fighters and ships built at the same rate as new armor and only built additional INF-E =20 INF-AA=6 INF-A=4, usually ending with 15-18 panzer divisions inc. the 3 panzer I divisions.

On VH-F I realy find it difficult to conquer the way Germany did historically, that is:
Fall Weiss Oct 39
Westerung May 40 - Jun 40
Fall Gelb Jun 40
etc

But thats my playing style. If you choose a more gamey approach then anything is possible.

 

[ltccone]

I never build any infantry until after Poland falls. I just use the troops I get from Austria. The only troops I build are 12 divisions of basic tanks and 6 motorized (for two panzer armies, each with 6 panzer and three motorized). I also make sure I have 9-12 fighters and 9 each of tac and close support. I have annexed Poland in two weeks before.

 

[korny]

What level are you playing at?

So you basically dont build at full strength, rather disperse the IC you do have across divisions built at less that 100% eff?

Interesting, I guess with Germany being the cataylst to the war then you really can afford to wait until you DOW. I wouldnt use it myself, as I see it as an exploit, but its nevertheless a clever way of getting the most of the limited IC you put into production.

Lately Ive been playing a mildy historic way with GERmany, in that I dont tech rush or powerplay. Instead have a additional bombers fighters and ships built at the same rate as new armor and only built additional INF-E =20 INF-AA=6 INF-A=4, usually ending with 15-18 panzer divisions inc. the 3 panzer I divisions.

On VH-F I realy find it difficult to conquer the way Germany did historically, that is:
Fall Weiss Oct 39
Westerung May 40 - Jun 40
Fall Gelb Jun 40
etc

But thats my playing style. If you choose a more gamey approach then anything is possible.

So you basically dont build at full strength, rather disperse the IC you do have across divisions built at less that 100% eff?

I dont understand!!
All my units are built full strength! (they trickle in about 2-6 at a time about every 3-4 months)
How can you build a unit not at full strength?

(A statement like that indicates you dont understand the mechanics of the game.)

I usually play VH/F...

The main point is that just by spending 30IC on units from the start you can have over 100+ inf divisions by 39...

Plus why play a game if you just want to repeat history???

Doesn't make any sense - go read a book about history instead and save the games for people who actually "play" games...

I already know how germany turns out when Hitler ran the show but what I want to find out is how germany will do when "I" run the show, when "I" make my own decisions and "I" suffer for my mistakes. Not follow some script created by history which equals a big waste of time...