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here are some more leaders..i even found a few pics of them as well!
Marshal Soult:
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Marshal Grouchy:
grouchy.jpg


Admiral Horatio Nelson:
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Gneisenau:
gneisenau.jpg


Von Scharnhorst:
scharnhorst.jpg


Gneral Karl Schwarzenburg (austria):
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Barlcay De Tolly (Russia):
barclay0.jpg


Kutusov:
KutuzovMikhail.jpg


Bagration (Russia):
Bagration.jpg


Wellington:
duke-wellington-600.jpg


John Moore:
moore.jpg


General Isaac Brock:
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Junot:
france_junot.jpg


Jean Baptiste Kleber:
kleber.jpg


Marshal Suchet:
suchet.jpg
 

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Just a bit of background info for the 1792 scenario:

Wars of the First Coalition
1792 to 1797

The principal parties of the first attempt to defeat the French Revolution were Austria and Prussia, the leaders of which - Frederick William II and Leopold II - wanted to restore King Louis XVI to the throne.

The execution of Louis XVI catapulted Britain into the alliance, with Spain joining in March of 1793.

In August of 1792, an 80,000-man army entered France under the reticent Duke of Brunswick, capturing key fortresses on its march towards Paris.

Half of the force was Prussian and 30,000 were Austrian, French emigres and minor German states made up the rest.

Opposing the Allied army was a force of 36,000 Frenchmen, a combination of troops from General Francois Kellerman's army and that of General Charles Dumouriez.

Kellerman stood his ground at Valmy where French artillery caused huge casualties in the enemy ranks and Brunswick took it as a good excuse to return home.

In Germany, a French invasion force under General Adam Custine threatened Frankfurt for a time, but it was in the Netherlands that the greatest successes occurred.

Dumouriez moved against the Austrian provinces - the southern Catholic provinces of the Netherlands - and caught the retreating Hapsburg army at Jemappes.

Within two weeks he had taken Brussels and Paris annexed the territory. 1793 saw serious moves by the Allies to deal with the upstart revolutionaries and with Custine bottled up in Mainz by Brunswick, an Austrian army led by Prince Frederick of Saxe-Coburg sought to recover the Netherlands.

Dumouriez attacked Saxe-Coburg at Neerwinden, but was sent into flight.

The Austrian advance then retook Brussels and when the political police travelling with the revolutionary armies accused Dumouriez of betrayal he fled to his former enemy's camp.

France's ruling Committee of Public Safety sent the unlucky General Dampierre to hold Saxe-Coburg, but he was killed in action.

Next they tried Custine but the demoralised French were no match for the Austrians at Valenciennes and Custine was guillotined for his troubles.

With paranoia gripping France, General Jean Houchard took over the Army of the North - which had been bolstered by the conscripts of the the newly introduced levee en masse - and sparked confidence when he defeated the Duke of York at Hondschoote.

He then went on to beat the Prince of Orange at Menin but, staggeringly, was alleged to have not tried hard enough and found himself a victim of Madame Guillotine.

General Jean-Baptiste Jourdan now took the poisoned chalice of leading the army, but the pressure was somewhat eased by Lazare Carnot, the Minister of War, who held supreme command.

Carnot sent Jourdan against Saxe-Coburg's force that was investing Mauberge and the French won the resulting battle of Wattignies.

It was the first of many pieces of good news. Toulon was recaptured from the Anglo-Spanish naval expedition that had held it for months, General Lazare Hoche refused to be put off by a loss at Kaiserslautern and beat a Prussian army at Froschwiller on 22 December and an Austrian one under General Dagobert Wurmser at Geisberg on 26 December.

Revolutionary zeal continued to build in 1794 with victories at Tourcoing, Hooglede and Fleurus.

Jourdan captured Brussels and Antwerp and finally drove the Austrians from the Netherlands.

On the southern border, French forces checked moves from Spanish armies, but lost Corsica, its West Indies holdings and the naval battle of First of June.

The northern Netherlands - the United Provinces - were Protestant and joined the fight against France when its southern cousins were annexed into Revolutionary France.

Early in 1795, General Jean Pichegru moved against the Protestant Dutch and seized its ice-locked fleet with horsemen.

The Netherlands was now under complete French control.

On 16 May, Prussia quit the war and signed the Treaty of Basle. Soon after, Spain and the minor German states also made their peace with France.

In June, the British navy landed 3500 pro-royalist and émigré troops in France at Quiberon. The hope was to ferment unrest, but the plan underestimated French resolve and Hoche moved quickly to crush the insurgents.

The uprising was short-lived and fewer than half of the landed troops escaped back to Britain.

One major loss for France was that of General Pichegru who, defeated at Mainz on 29 October, defected to the Austrians rather than face the wrath of his superiors, or the bite of the guillotine.

In 1796, the two remaining protagonists - France and Austria - squared up to each other in Germany and Italy.

General Jean Moreau and Jourdan took on Archduke Charles along the Rhine, with Jourdan trying to pin the new Austrian commanders forces to allow his colleague to cross the mighty river and invade Bavaria.

Charles beat Jourdan at Wetzlar, forcing him back across the Rhine, and then pursued Moreau. He caught him at Malsh where neither side could get an advantage and then returned his attentions to Jourdan. Charles beat the Frenchman at Amberg, and then Wurzburg, while Moreau bested the Austrian covering force at Freidberg.

However, with his colleague pushed back it left Moreau in an untenable position and he, too, retreated.

The two nations then signed an armistice.

The war in Italy saw the rise of one of the great military leaders - General Napoleon Bonaparte - who transformed a ragtag army of half-starving troops into a fine fighting force.

His first problem was being faced by two enemies, the Austrians under General Jean Beaulieu and General Michael Colli's Piedmontese army.

Getting in between the two forces, Bonaparte split them further at Montenotte and defeated Beaulieu at Dego. Turning on Colli, the French general hammered his army at Mondovi.

Colli then called for a halt to hostilities and two weeks later Piedmont quit the war. Another clash with the Austrians, this time at Lodi, cleared Lombardy of the enemy and Bonaparte then kept then pressure on the withdrawing Beaulieu and followed him into the Tyrol.

A new danger loomed when General Dagobert Wurmser led another army into northern Italy to break the siege of the fortress of Mantua, the last toehold the Austrians had in the region.

Wurmser divided his force and sent General Peter Quasdanovich to cut Bonaparte's lines of supply.

Again using interior lines - the tactic of getting between enemies and defeating them in detail before they can unite - the French commander pinned Wurmser and then beat Quasdanovich at Lonato.

Wurmser's men then felt the full force of the French at Castiglione, from which they fled back to the Tyrol.

After he regained his composure, Wurmser tried a new attempt to help Mantua, but again split his forces.

General Paul Davidovich remained to protect the Tyrol, while Wurmser moved down towards Mantua.

Bonaparte beat Davidovich at Caliano and then sped on a cruel forced march to catch the main Austrian army.

He caught Wurmser at Bassano and while he beat him, the bulk of the Austrians managed to get through to Mantua.

The garrison was 28,000 men, but they were not enough to break out of General Andre Massena's encircling forces.

A third rescue attempt was made by Austria and General Josef Alvintzy moved against the French.

For a third time the Austrians split their forces and while a French covering force held off Davidovich, Bonaparte hit Alvintzy at Caldiero.

The battle ended in Alvintzy's favour, but at the desperate battle of Arcola the young French general routed the Austrians.

Early in 1797, Vienna made its last move to free the trapped troops in Mantua. Alvintzy, who was clearly no fast learner, split his army and attacked the French at Rivoli without the weight of his full force.

Despite this, he began well and Bonaparte was under pressure until reinforcements arrived and gave him the decisive upper hand.

Having won Rivoli, Bonaparte then returned to Mantua to help a surrounded General Jean Serurier caught between the Mantua garrison and another relieving Austrian army under General Johann Provera.

The reinforcements allowed Serurier to again bottle up Wurmser's garrison, while Bonaparte encircled Provera's men and forced a surrender.

It was the last straw for Wurmser and the troops and people in Mantua, the siege had cost them 18,000 dead - mainly from disease.

A victorious Bonaparte now set his sights on Vienna. Although opposed by Archduke Charles, the French crossed the Alps and were only 100 miles from the Austrian capital when the emperor Francis I requested peace.

Bonaparte set out the terms for the treaty of Leoben - the recognition of France's claim over the Austrian Netherlands and the acceptance of the Cisalpine Republic in northern Italy.

Considering the turmoil of previous years, 1798 was relatively quiet in revolution terms. France occupied Switzerland, creating the Helvetian republic, and Rome, Roman Republic, and there was an ill-fated landing of French troops in Ireland.

General Jean Humbert's force had been sent to assist an Irish rebellion against Britain but found it had been squashed as brutally as France's dealing in La Vendee and Quiberon.

The battle of Vinegar Hill smashed the rebels and Humbert's troops were eventually surrounded by Lord Cornwallis and forced to surrender.
 

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good...good, if we get a sub-forum . we should put these in there.

Some of them we won't be able to do as leader pics due to quality and colour, but most of them we will be able to do.

What do you guys think about changing the start date from 1740 to 1770? Its just an idea but what do you guys think about? Should be move it or stay the course with 1740?
 

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The best way to simulate Flanking is to increase (if possible) the bonus for attacking for 2 or more directions that would be best.

Napoleon should have superior bonus for speed and fire and organization, no defense bonus since he was no good at it.

Wellington should have bonuses in defense, organization and attrition.
 

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plus its a lot easier to map :D
hmmm....this will take a vote from the team....if you want to move the scenario start to 1770 say YES, if you want to keep it at 1740 say NO. Democracy shall prove that presidential dictators are weak...and stupid for not using democracy to get into power!!! :D
 

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killerdude11 said:
The best way to simulate Flanking is to increase (if possible) the bonus for attacking for 2 or more directions that would be best.

Napoleon should have superior bonus for speed and fire and organization, no defense bonus since he was no good at it.

Wellington should have bonuses in defense, organization and attrition.


sounds good to me killerdude!
 

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ok here is wat i wnt to do today

-Start to get an outline ready for the events

-Get this dumb map finished

-find some stats on leaders

also can we start another thread for the 1792 scenrio so we don't get confused
 

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If the key scenarios of the mod are: American War of Independence and Napoleon, then 1770 (maybe even later so France would find it difficult to avoid revolution) would be best. If we want to include a Seven Years War scenario, then 1740.

Seeing as the mod is about the 18th century I don't see the harm in starting earlier - if people want to play something more "historical", just fire up the later scenarios. We could engineer events so that the historical outcome is very likely - maybe 90% chance of firing.

It seems the 1740, 1776 (start of the wars of independence), 1783 (final British surrender), 1792, 1796 or 1799 (Italian campaign or Egypt and Brumaire?), 1809 (Wagram, height of French power), 1813 (Aftermath of 1812, run up to Leipzig) and 1815 (Hundred Days) scenarios would be appropriate.
 
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thats alot of scenerios

i think we should start with just 1740 and 1792 for now and add more as time goes on
 

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I agree - start with two.

I wonder whether 1796 is better because Napoleon is in command of the Army of Italy and the Directory is in charge. The French revolution could be crushed in 1792 if Austria succeeds, Robespierre might hold on to power, Napoleon might totally fail at Toulon, Louis XVI might not be executed.............I think if we are to have a Napoleonic scenario we should pick a date where it is almost certain Napoleon will skyrocket to power provided that he wins military glory in Italy.
 

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if i had to chose i would go with 1794 dats when napoleon get command of Italy

but it would be nice to have a few years to get your country organized before your flung into 20 years of non-stop wars
 

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Heres the map. there are alot of issues and provinces that need to be changed. I edited the Scenerio files so it isn't just a save. I used Hannover to make Palatinate, but this is a startand we will eventually finished. I got a bunch of errors for factories (since prussias factories are now in another country) so i'll delete all the factories to simplyfy it.

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if you think something should be changed tell me the province name, who currently owns it and who should own it. This will make it easier for me since i won't have to hunt down who owns it and everything.

I'm gonna go do Scandanavia and Poland tommorow, cause i gotta learn how to make new countries, For now i'm Gonna do an outline of events

and just so u ppl know my plans for the map. I plan to use Hamburg tag to create Genoa.
 
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Saarbrucken should belong to Nassau.
Plus i think that Hannover should be used, just as a British sattelit, like in the GC. other wise its perfect! well done,
Just i think that Gniezno should be Polish, but i'll allow it for now seing as you have only done Germany... ;)
Plus there should be Saxe-Gotha and Saxe-Weimar as seperate countries.
Plus i think that the Bishopric of Liege (thats Belguim in the map) shouldn't have Brussels and Antwerp, i think it should have Liege,Hasselt and Namur.
Also i think that Osnabruck should be Hanoverian/British instead of Prussian.

Otherwise you should pat youself on the back...well done! :D
 

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ptan54 said:
I agree - start with two.

I wonder whether 1796 is better because Napoleon is in command of the Army of Italy and the Directory is in charge. The French revolution could be crushed in 1792 if Austria succeeds, Robespierre might hold on to power, Napoleon might totally fail at Toulon, Louis XVI might not be executed.............I think if we are to have a Napoleonic scenario we should pick a date where it is almost certain Napoleon will skyrocket to power provided that he wins military glory in Italy.

Thats the fun of the game! You can change history! But i can see thy concerns!


Here are my ideas for scenarios from about 1792 onwards:

1792 - The Revolutionary Wars
1798? - The rise of Napoleon
1804 - The Napoleonic wars
1812 - The march to Russia
1815 - The 100 days Campaign

i'm not sure about 1798 as a start date for the rise of Napoleon but i would like to see a scenario that starts off with the French in Egypt! :D so possibly from 1799 to 1801?
 

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oh well.....just a special one then....but i would prefer a 1770 or 1792 start date, i can't say no to you Zuck.... :D I'm a Zucker...lol i mean sucker!
Ok then we will do a special 1740 edition of the mod, but that would have to cover the War of Austrian succession, 7 years war, American Revolution.

This is a very strange predicament..should we go for an easier option and go for 1792? or go for a more interesting and more complicated 1740? I'd prefer 1792 or 1780.. But we could still work on both!
 

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heres some info for the 1792 scen.

The First Colaition:
The name "First Coalition" (1793–1797) designates the first major concerted effort of multiple European powers to contain revolutionary France.

After the stated aim of the National Convention to export revolution, the guillotining of Louis XVI of France (January 1793) and the French opening of the Scheldt, a military coalition formed comprising:

Austria
Prussia
Sardinia (at war with France since 1792)
Great Britain
The Netherlands
Spain
These powers initiated a series of invasions of France by land and sea, with Prussia and Austria attacking from the Austrian Netherlands and the Rhine, and Great Britain supporting revolts in provincial France and laying siege to Toulon. France sufferred reverses (battle of Neerwinden, 18 March 1793) and internal revolts (the revolt in the Vendée), and responded with extreme measures: the Committee of Public Safety formed (6 April 1793) and the levée en masse drafted all potential soldiers aged 18 to 25 (August 1793). The new French armies counter-attacked, repelled the invaders, and moved beyond France. French arms established the Batavian Republic as a satellite state (May 1795) and gained the Prussian Rhineland by the first Treaty of Basel. Spain made a separate peace accord with France (second Treaty of Basel) and the French Directory carried out plans to conquer more of Germany and northern Italy (1795).

North of the Alps, Archduke Charles of Austria redressed the situation in 1796, but Napoleon Bonaparte carried all before him against Sardinia and Austria in Italy (1796–1797), culminating in the peace of Leoben and the Treaty of Campo Formio (October 1797). The First Coalition collapsed, leaving only England in the field (or rather, on the water) fighting against France.

The Treaty of Campo Formio:
The Treaty of Campo Formio was signed on October 17, 1797 (26 Vendémiaire, Year VI of the French Republic) by Napoleon Bonaparte and Count Ludwig von Cobenzl as representatives of France and Austria. It marked the collapse of the First Coalition, the victorious conclusion to Napoleon's campaigns in Italy and the end of the first phase of the Napoleonic Wars.

Beyond the usual clauses of "firm and inviolable peace" the treaty passed a number of Austrian territories into French hands. Lands ceded included the Austrian Netherlands (Belgium) and certain islands in the Mediterranean and Corfu and other Venetian islands in the Adriatic. Venice and its territories (Venetia) were divided between the two states: Venice, Istria and Dalmatia were turned over to the Austrian emperor. Austria recognized the Cisalpine Republic and the newly-created Ligurian Republic formed of Genovese territories as independent powers.

The treaty also contained non-public clauses, which divided up certain other territories, made Liguria independent, and also agreed to the extension of the borders France up to the Rhine, the Nette, and the Roer. Free French navigation was guaranteed on the Rhine, the Meuse, the Moselle. The French Republic had been expanded to its "natural" boundaries and in Italy beyond them.

The treaty was composed and signed after five months of negotiations. It was basically what had been agreed earlier at the Peace of Leoben in April, 1797, but the negotiations had been spun out by both parties for a number of reasons. During the negotiating period the French had to crush a royalist coup in September. This was used as a cause for the arrest and deportation of royalist and moderate deputies in the Directory.

Napoleon's biographer, Felix Markham, wrote "the partition of Venice was not only a moral blot on the peace settlement but left Austria a foothold in Italy, which could only lead to further war." In fact the Peace of Campo Formio, though it reshaped the map of Europe and marked a major step in Napoleon's fame, was only a respite.

Campo Formio, now called Campoformido, is a village west of Udine in north-eastern Italy; the treaty was signed at an inn there.


But now its time for bed...cya tommorow team!