Help start the 18thC mod happen!

[Kaiser Franz]

well, we are getting along ok, i'm hoping to get all we have done so far, with basic events, hopefully for a bit of Indian war action, war of 1812 and of course the wars of the 1st and 2nd coalitions, we have the maps sorted out, with the exception of Asia for now, G-Klav is slowly but surely making sure the map is allright, so i geuss sooner or later we'll have a alpha test i hope...but thats if we get enough help and support, plus we need someone with good skills at putting togeather the scenario failes etc and making them into downloads, like the 199-33 mod, that is what Strategist does anyway. So hopefully we can get something done soon, my hope is to make test version and then people will get really interested and help us out even more..

 

[Mr. Thing]

Is it in the plans to have this Mod lead into the standard grand campaing?

 

[Kaiser Franz]

well at the moment we are doing a sort of 1792 Revolutionary/Napoleonic war Grand Cmapaign, but once finished, if we have the time and strength we will attempt a 1740 Campaign, but thats if we still want to, but for now its 1792 onwards...

 

[rule_brittania]

I'd like to help if i could in any way.
I have a reasonable amount of knowledge and can mod quite well.

 

[Kaiser Franz]

welcome

welcome to the team then..your allowed to do as you wish by way of research and events really, as long as they fit in with the scenario time period etc etc, but welcome!!!

 

[Lord Boreal]

those are some good looking events, but shouldn't there be some way of having the Dutch keep those specific colonies by some way? like if the British decide not to take them, etc etc...

Yes I was thinking that, perhaps when I have some free time....

Im going to University in 2 weeks so im busy sorting stuff out.

PS. These events could be fired if say Britain controls Cape Town and Colombo for instance. I rarely see the AI completely occupy colonies so to make the events more likely to fire for the AI it could be done this way. Also, change them so instead of just option A, there is a B which could be something like 'Take some money instead'. Just some ideas

 

[Kaiser Franz]

that sounds good enough....by the way, what Uni ya going to?

 

[rule_brittania]

What have you done and what is yet to be done? Are there any scenario files to (re)do?

 

[Kaiser Franz]

actualy i was thinking..how can we simulate the HRE? we could use similar idea as to the vanilla versions handling of the German Confederation (all german states within the German Confed. have defence alliances with each other etc...) and also, just wanted to see how everyone was doing..anything new to report guys?

 

[Lord Boreal]

Im going to the University of Leeds to study 3D Animation and Special Effects (a.k.a. Multimedia Technology). I hope to put my skills to use in the entertainment industry be that TV, Film or Games when I graduate.

 

[G-Klav]

I've started making the map of Asia. Afghanistan, Burma, most of China and the Khanates are done, Persia and Tibet as well. Japan doesn't need any change.

A few questions and requests:

Is it OK if Tasjkent will share the same fate as Dubrovnik, ie annexed by a neighbour? As we are short of tags, including such small unimportant nations is overdoing it IMO.

That nation in the north of Vietnam, would/could it belong to China?

Would Singapore belong to VOC (the Netherlands)?

Can I get a better map of India? That one is a bit too small for me to make a correct setup

 

[Lord Boreal]

Well i would say that Malacca would be Dutch, going by where the dot is on the map above. Singapore I assume at that point is native.

 

[Kaiser Franz]

I've started making the map of Asia. Afghanistan, Burma, most of China and the Khanates are done, Persia and Tibet as well. Japan doesn't need any change.

A few questions and requests:

Is it OK if Tasjkent will share the same fate as Dubrovnik, ie annexed by a neighbour? As we are short of tags, including such small unimportant nations is overdoing it IMO.

That nation in the north of Vietnam, would/could it belong to China?

Would Singapore belong to VOC (the Netherlands)?

Can I get a better map of India? That one is a bit too small for me to make a correct setup

maybe this will help a little for India, also, if you give the whole of Pondicherry to France, that should eb good enough by way of a French colony in India...

maybe this as well, perhaps all of these and the map i already inlcuded would make you come up with the right sort of map...

as for Tashkent, be my geust at having them eaten up by one of the other khanates etc..

hope these maps help a little..

EDIT: that country in Vietnam i reckon should be some form of sattelite or puppet, so in a sense indepedant..

 

[G-Klav]

OK, so UK took Singapore from the natives? I assumed it was handed over by the Dutch at the same time as Malacca.
I gave the Cape Colony to the Netherlands as well, BTW.

Edit: THANKS for that great map! /Edit
Edit2: Looks like Sindh and Kalat will have to be rescurrected, no?

Here are some maps of my progress:

Middle East, updated:


India (updated):

Pic removed

South East Asia, including Dutch East Indies:

 

[Kaiser Franz]

Might i add that the Ottoman Egypt should just have the coastal and a few other provinces and the provinces that go down the Nile. as i do not believe that the Ottomans had any lands going down towards the Sudan..

 

[G-Klav]

Might i add that the Ottoman Egypt should just have the coastal and a few other provinces and the provinces that go down the Nile. as i do not believe that the Ottomans had any lands going down towards the Sudan..

That will be changed later, when we're working with Africa, ok?

As for India, is it OK if I merge Travancore with those 'Carnatic' states in SE India? As they'll end up being annexed by British India anyway, I mean.

Should the Marathi Confederation be a nation, or an alliance?

 

[Kaiser Franz]

Is Travancore already in Vicky? I reckon if it is, we might as well use it for what you said..so yeah, if it doesn't look any good, i geuss we can always change it can't we?, as for the Maratha Confederation, i guess we should have it as a proper unified nation, as that, was the case.

 

[G-Klav]

India, updated version



We need events for the breaking up of this Confederacy, events for the growth of the East Indian Company and the fall of Afghanistan...
I used Bastar as the Confederacy - we'll need a flag
OOB's for nearly the whole world are also needed.

Edit: Yes, Travancore exists in VIP (and probably vanilla, too). When Orissa forms (after the fall of the Confederacy), it'll probably be united with Bastar straight away, if that's ok.

Edit2: About the Austrian OOB, I miss a "K.u.K Armee" in Österreich or elsewhere...

Edit3: I modified the treaty of Basel a little, if Prussia refuses to sign it first, and then loses control of Kleves, France gets Kleves and Prussia is forced to sign the treaty, losing prestige.
I haven't begun to think about what to do with the other nations involved though. I only added notification events to them so far.

### AoR events for Prussia ###



event = {
	id = 46001
	random = no
	country = PRU

	trigger = { 
		OR = {
			flag = { name = batavia value = 1 }
			owned = { province = 280 data = FRA }
			flag = { name = fleurus value = 1 }
		}
	 }
	
	name = "The First Treaty of Basel"
	desc = "After the French defeated the combined Austro-Prussian forces and took over Holland, proclaiming the Batavian Republic, the Prussians decided it was best to make peace instead of lose even more land to the almost unstopable French Republic. In the treaty all of the western bank of the Rhine was given to France."

	date = { day = 1 month = march year = 1794 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = april year = 1797 }
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Make peace..."
		ai_chance = 98
		command = { type = prestige value = -10 }
		command = { type = peace which = FRA value = 0 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = FRA value = 293 }
		command = { type = setflag which = basel1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 72014 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 46002 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 46003 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 46004 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 46005 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Never, keep on fighting!"
		ai_chance = 2
		command = { type = prestige value = 20 }
		command = { type = setflag which pru_refuse1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 46002
	random = no
	country = BAY

	
	name = "The First Treaty of Basel"
	desc = "After the French defeated the combined Austro-Prussian forces and took over Holland, proclaiming the Batavian Republic, the Prussians decided it was best to make peace instead of lose even more land to the almost unstopable French Republic. In the treaty all of the western bank of the Rhine was given to France."

	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Make peace with France"
		ai_chance = 100
		command = { type = peace which = FRA value = 0 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Never, keep on fighting!"
		command = { type = prestige value = -10 }
		command = { type = war which = FRA }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 46003
	random = no
	country = NAS

	
	name = "The First Treaty of Basel"
	desc = "After the French defeated the combined Austro-Prussian forces and took over Holland, proclaiming the Batavian Republic, the Prussians decided it was best to make peace instead of lose even more land to the almost unstopable French Republic. In the treaty all of the western bank of the Rhine was given to France."

	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Make peace with France"
		ai_chance = 100
		command = { type = peace which = FRA value = 0 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Never, keep on fighting!"
		command = { type = prestige value = -10 }
		command = { type = war which = FRA }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 46004
	random = no
	country = SAX

	
	name = "The First Treaty of Basel"
	desc = "After the French defeated the combined Austro-Prussian forces and took over Holland, proclaiming the Batavian Republic, the Prussians decided it was best to make peace instead of lose even more land to the almost unstopable French Republic. In the treaty all of the western bank of the Rhine was given to France."

	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Make peace with France"
		ai_chance = 100
		command = { type = peace which = FRA value = 0 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Never, keep on fighting!"
		command = { type = prestige value = -10 }
		command = { type = war which = FRA }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 46005
	random = no
	country = U02

	
	name = "The First Treaty of Basel"
	desc = "After the French defeated the combined Austro-Prussian forces and took over Holland, proclaiming the Batavian Republic, the Prussians decided it was best to make peace instead of lose even more land to the almost unstopable French Republic. In the treaty all of the western bank of the Rhine was given to France."

	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Make peace with France"
		ai_chance = 100
		command = { type = peace which = FRA value = 0 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Never, keep on fighting!"
		command = { type = prestige value = -10 }
		command = { type = war which = FRA }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 46006
	random = no
	country = PRU

	#Triggered by FRA 72015
	
	name = "The First Treaty of Basel"
	desc = "Prussia refused to sign the treaty of Basel, and France quickly took control of the possessions Prussia had on the western bank of the Rhine."

	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Sign the treaty"
		command = { type = prestige value = -25 }
		command = { type = peace which = FRA value = 0 }
		command = { type = setflag which = basel1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 72014 }
                command = { type = trigger which = 46002 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 46003 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 46004 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 46005 }
	}
}

event = {
	id = 72014
	random = no
	country = FRA

	# Triggered by PRU 46001a or PRU 46006
	
	name = "The First Treaty of Basel"
	desc = "After the French defeated the combined Austro-Prussian forces and took over Holland, proclaiming the Batavian Republic, the Prussians decided it was best to make peace instead of lose even more land to the almost unstoppable French Republic. In the treaty all of the western bank of the Rhine was given to France."

	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Huzzah!"
		command = { type = prestige value = 20 }
		command = { type = receiveprovince which = 776 }
		command = { type = receiveprovince which = 778 }
		command = { type = receiveprovince which = 783 }
		command = { type = receiveprovince which = 784 }
		command = { type = receiveprovince which = 785 }
		command = { type = receiveprovince which = 786 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 72015
	random = no
	country = FRA

	trigger = {
		flag = { name = pru_refuse1 value = 1 }
		controlled = { province = 293 data = FRA }
	}
	
	name = "Kleves controlled"
	desc = "Prussia refused to sign the treaty of Basel, and France quickly took control of the possessions Prussia had on the western bank of the Rhine."

	date = { day = 1 month = april year = 1794 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = may year = 1797 }

	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Huzzah!"
		command = { type = prestige value = 10 }
		command = { type = receiveprovince which = 293 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 46006 } #PRU
	}
}

 

[Kaiser Franz]

Austrian OOB
Armee des oberen Rheins (5 Div)
Armee des untereren Rheins (5 Div)
Armee von Italien (5 Div)
Armee der Niederlande (5 Div)
Armee von Böhmen (5 Div)
Armee des Ostens (2 Div)

British Army
5 divisions in total, British ary had total strength of 50,000 men.
I'd geuss thats excluding colonial troops, as the East India Company had around 100,000 Sepoys in service, so 10 Divisions in India as well.
I geuss there should be a few events to give the British more divisions, becuse by 1795, they went up from 50,000 men to 150,000 men.
Also, we should have a few Divisions in Canada.


Prussian Army
I. Korps (5 Div)
II Korps (5 Div)
III Korps (5 Div)
IV Korps (5 Div)

French Army
Army of the Sambre and Meuse (4 Divisions)
Army of the West (4 Divisions)
Army of the Alps (2 divisions)
Army of the Interior (3 Divisions)
Army of the Rhine and Moselle (5 Divisions)
Army of Italy (4-5 Divisions)
Army of the North (4 Divisions)
Army of the Pyrenee's (3 Divisions)
Port Au Prince Garrison (1 under strength Div)
India Garrison (1 under strength Div)

Russian Army
400,000 men total, i'd reckon a similar looking OOB to that of the 1836 campaign, but with more people, i'd geuss around 40 divisions worth of irregulars, Regulars, Dragoons and Cavalry.

Sardinian Army
Esercito del duca di Aosta (2-3 Div)
Esercito Del Colli (3 Div)

United States Army
(estimated)
5 Divisions of Infantry
1 Division with Guards Attachment (US Marines)
4 Iregular Divisions (Militia)

Ottoman Empire
400,000 Janisarries
4-5 Cavalry Divisions in Egypt (Mamelukes)


I shall attempt Naval OOB's in a second..

 

[Kaiser Franz]

French Navy Ships
unsure if all of these were actualy in service..
Brillant 64 (1774)
Sévère 64 (1774)
Solitaire 64 (1774)
Palmier 74 (1776)
Sphinx 64 (1776)
Auguste 80 (1778)
Hercule 74 (1778)
Héros 74 (1778)
Neptune 74 (1778)
Pluton 74 (1778)
Scipion 74 (1778)
Jason 64 (1779)
Magnanime 74 (1779)
Northumberland 74 (1779)
Triomphant 80 (1779)
Pluton 74 (1779)
Invincible 110 (1780)
Majestueux 110 (1780)
Royal-Louis 110 (1780)
Sceptre 74 (1780)
Brave 74 (1781)
Illustre 74 (1781)
Hannibal 50 (ex-British Hannibal, captured 1781)
Bizarre 64 - Wrecked 5 October 1782
Alexandre 64 - Scuttled 1782
Téméraire (1782?)
Duguay-Trouin (1788)
Jean Bart 74 (1788)
Tourville (1788)
Tonnant 80 (1789) - Captured by the United Kingdom at the Battle of the Nile 1798
États de Bourgogne (1790) - Renamed Cote d'Or, Montagne, Peuple, Océan
Sans Culotte (1791) - Renamed Dauphin-Royal, Orient - Blew up during the Battle of the Nile, 1798
Suffren (1791) - Renamed Redoutable (74 guns). The ship who killed Nelson at the Battle of Trafalgar.
Commerce de Marseille - Captured by the United Kingdom 1792
Ça Ira 80 - Captured by the United Kingdom 1795
Scipion 80 - Sank in storm 1795
Mont Blanc 74 - Renamed Républicain 1795, renamed Mont Blanc 1796
Scévola - Rased to frigate
Séduisant 74 - Wrecked 1796
Droits de l'Homme 74 - Wrecked 1797
Duquesne 74
Guillaume Tell 80 - Captured by the United Kingdom 1800
Franklin 80 - Captured by the United Kingdom during Battle of the Nile, 1798, renamed Canopus, sold 1887
Aquilon 74 - Captured by the United Kingdom during Battle of the Nile, 1798
Mercure 74 - Captured and destroyed by the United Kingdom , 1798
Heureux 74 - Captured and destroyed by the United Kingdom , 1798
Généreux 74 - Captured by the United Kingdom 1800
Spartiate 74 - Captured by the United Kingdom during Battle of the Nile, 1798
Timoleon 74 - Aground and scuttled, 1798
(3 battleships) - Captured by Russia/Turkey 1799
Indivisible 80 (1799) - Renamed Alexandre, captured by the United Kingdom 1807
Indomptable 80
Duguay-Trouin (1795) - Captured by the United Kingdom 1805, renamed Implacable, scuttled 1949
Formidable 80
Dix Août 74
Constitution 74
Desaix 74

some of these ships were not built or were being built at the start date of the 1792 scenario, so some shouldn't be included..

British Navy
Kent 74 (1762)
Defence 74 (1763)
Ajax 74 (1765)
Victory (1765)
Lion 64 (1777)
Gibraltar 80 (ex-Spanish Fenix (1780), captured ?)
Leander 53 (1780) - Captured by France 1798, captured by Russia/Turkey 1799
Audacious 74 (1785)
Majestic 74 (1785)
Bellerophon 74 (1786)
Theseus 74 (1786)
Vanguard 74 (1787)
Orion 74 (1787)
Achille 74 (1798)
Foudroyant 80 (1798) - Wrecked 1897
Kent 74 (1798)
Minotaur 74
Swiftsure 74 - Captured by France 1801
Goliath 74
Queen Charlotte 100 - Burned 1800
Tigre 80
Northumberland 74
Foudroyant 80
Haarlem 64
Hector 64
Dragon 74
Renown 74
HMS Africa (1781)
HMS Agamemnon (1781)
HMS Ajax (1798)
HMS Ajax (1765)
HMS Albion (1763)
HMS Antelope (1741)
HMS Barfleur (1768)
HMS Bellerophon (1786)
HMS Bellona (1760)
HMS Britannia (1762)
HMS Colossus (1787)
HMS Conqueror (1801)
HMS Cornwall (1761)
HMS Culloden (1776)
HMS Defence (1763)
HMS Defiance (1783)
HMS Glatton (1795)
HMS Achilles (1778)
HMS Invincible (1747)
HMS Leopard (1790)
HMS Lion (1777)
HMS Mars (1794)
HMS Minden
HMS Norfolk (1757)
HMS Orion (1787)
HMS Prince (1788)
HMS Queen (1769)
HMS Royal George (1756)
HMS Royal Sovereign (1786)
HMS Sceptre (1781)
HMS Sirius (1786)
HMS Temeraire (1798)
HMS Theseus (1786)
HMS Tonnant (1792)
HMS Vanguard (1787)
HMS Vanguard (1748)
HMS Victorious (1785)
HMS Victory

i copied these ships from 2 lists, so some ships will appear twice lol!!

Russian Navy (to a degree! )
Prince Vladimir
Rostislav
Voznesenie Gospodne
Saint Peter
Victor
Saint Pavel
Nadezhda (Frigate)

hopefully more to come...