Help me (re)understand Colonial Nations

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I integrated Portugal recently into my nation and I inherited , therefore , their brazilian supercolonial nation .

The nation , however , has something like 50 liberty value and it keeps going up from "situation in Spain" which goes down to zero when my war exhaustion is down , but now it's above 50% and I already have tariffs down to 3% and I'm barely making any money off of them . So what am I doing wrong ?
 

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Your only option is to beat them up when they revolt.

Their desire for liberty only rises, there doesn't seem to be a way to lower it, outside some events.
Just maintain good relations to further reduce the likelihood of revolting.
 

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I'm not sure you're doing anything "wrong", it's likely just the late game and they're a very large colony: CNs since 1.8 in that situation will now start pushing hard for independence.

And there exists the possibility that Portugal didn't manage them all that well before you inherited them. Also, not sure if a Portuguese colony will be super thrilled about Spaniard overlords.
 

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Just from a different perspective. Is it even worth it, to colonize America? You get money from trade, but CNs are pushing hard for independence. Colonizing India seems a much better?
 

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Just from a different perspective. Is it even worth it, to colonize America? You get money from trade, but CNs are pushing hard for independence. Colonizing India seems a much better?

I'd say it still is. They push for independence doesn't seem to really start taking off until the 1700s, and until then you have a couple centuries where some of those CNs can be highly profitable. And even if your colony in Brazil, Mexico, or Eastern America eventually becomes big enough to start thinking about controlling their own destiny, they can still be stepping stones to colonies in places like California, Alaska, or Guyane, which probably won't be colonized until late in the game and as such will have a harder time building the Liberty Desire needed to revolt.

Also, you can't reach India as easily early on and even if you get there you'll have a considerably harder time establishing yourself. Indian tech is still formidable in the early years of the game, and the colonizable provinces out that way are almost 100% tropical meaning you're looking at a very long, very expensive process to colonize them. And you'll still need the trade infrastructure to get the full benefits of those colonies back home (though trade companies alone aren't all that shabby).


I think the best way to handle it is to still go ahead and colonize the Americas, but rather than focusing on colonizing one entire colonial region at once you should spread your colonial efforts out and actually let other nations have some of the slices of the various pies. Monopolizing the Americas isn't super realistic since 1.8 anyways, after all. So rather than a single "super colony", you could aim for three or four decent colonies of relatively equal size spread across the New World. Same amount of effort and reward, only they aren't individually as powerful (thus less likely to revolt), and should one revolt you're looking at an easier war/less to possibly be lost.

The downside being intentionally smaller colonies will have a harder time defending themselves, not to mention you're leaving more room for other CNs to build their own power base. Still, I'd hate to try and fund my early game efforts with first wave colonizers without grabbing some of the riches of the Americas.
 

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War exhaustion certain upsets you CNs. I'm in 1595 and the New Netherlands has already reached 50% liberty desire as I've spent much of the last 100 years in a head butting competition with Burgundy. Looks like I'll actually have to start spending MP to reduce war exhaustion now.