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Dear Fellow-Gamers,

As a feudal newbie and slow-to-react strategic dimwit, I bought CK2 two weeks ago and have been trying to figure it out ever since. The forums have been a big help.

I don't have a problem with understanding that it is my job to set my own goals within the game and so on. I sort of like that.

I also think that the incredible richness of detail which the game allows for following all of the dynasties and their individual laws and feudal organizations is simply fascinating.

Now, however, I am a bit overwhelmed. I started a game as Brittany with the goal of trying to expand my power base and rack up those prestige / victory points by aggressively dictating and influencing what happens in my corner of France. In the beginning it was simple, I ruled my Duchy and kept putting down revolts and stopping plots or else destroying factions. I also made nice and established a lot of good relations with the other French Duchies. I later joined the French nation under the Capet dynasty and took him on as my liege. Eventually England under William the Conquerer swallowed us all up and we all owed fealty to the Red Lion.

Later due to internal English politics over on the island, a massive English power struggle resulted in William losing a huge amount of influence (and also quite a few troops). He eventually died a bitter old man and voila! France reappeared. Now here's the kicker - I'm the King! Umm... what? I mean, I guess I noticed a bunch of little messages from other Dukes saying they favored me as King of France, but what does that mean? I just clicked them away. How can you wake up suddenly and you're king?

Does the game somehow know that I have no clue and now it's setting me up for all my non-player vassals to feast on me? This is starting to get a little strange here? I mean, I guess I wanted to be king but is this normal? I would appreciate any thoughts/input.
 

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It sounds like what happened is this: The Kingdom of England was a Primogenutive or a Gavelkind, whereas France was an elective monarchy. Somehow, the AI decided that you, the duke of Brittany was the most valid canidate to the throne, and the majority of the dukes voted for you to become the next King of France. On William's death, you than inherited France.

If you wanna go back to Brittany, set someone else as you're elected heir for France {I'd suggest a distant relative of your Dynasty, because you want your dynasty in power everywhere in this game}, and make sure your ducal succession type is a different person all together.
 

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Yep, France became an elective monarchy and because of some reason, you were elected. If you die, and your heir got enough votes, he/you will (continue) ruling the Kingdom.
 

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It's always nice when they sneak-elect you to something you really didn't plan on having. Try avoiding having the other Dukes LIKING you. That tends to work ;)
 

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But thunk on all the fun stuff you can do now. If you really don't want to be in charge, then swear fealty to the holy roman emperor, then you have reunited then caroline empire and have a good starting point for helping your emperor conquering the entire world.
 

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But thunk on all the fun stuff you can do now. If you really don't want to be in charge, then swear fealty to the holy roman emperor, then you have reunited then caroline empire and have a good starting point for helping your emperor conquering the entire world.
you can't swear fealty as a king to an emperor who isn't your your de jure emperor.
or to rephrase that, your primary title kingdom has to been within the de jure area of the empire you are trying to swear fealty to

that said, if you somehow end up becoming king of either germany or Bavaria (for vanilla), THEN you can join the empire by making those two your primary and france your secondary
 

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If you wanna go back to Brittany, set someone else as you're elected heir for France {I'd suggest a distant relative of your Dynasty, because you want your dynasty in power everywhere in this game}, and make sure your ducal succession type is a different person all together.
If you elect someone else of your dynasty, even if they are a distant relative then you will just end up playing as that person and stay King of France. You would have to elect someone not of your dynasty to go back to your dukedom.
 

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There's a way:

1. Create Kingdom of Brittany
2. Vote for 2 different person (preferably dynasty member) for each kingdom. Which kingdom you don't want to be in charge with, make that your secondary title
 

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you can't swear fealty as a king to an emperor who isn't your your de jure emperor.
or to rephrase that, your primary title kingdom has to been within the de jure area of the empire you are trying to swear fealty to

that said, if you somehow end up becoming king of either germany or Bavaria (for vanilla), THEN you can join the empire by making those two your primary and france your secondary

I think he could easily create the Kingdom of Lotharingia as France and swear fealty after making it his primary.
 

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It sounds like what happened is this: The Kingdom of England was a Primogenutive or a Gavelkind, whereas France was an elective monarchy. Somehow, the AI decided that you, the duke of Brittany was the most valid canidate to the throne, and the majority of the dukes voted for you to become the next King of France. On William's death, you than inherited France.

If you wanna go back to Brittany, set someone else as you're elected heir for France {I'd suggest a distant relative of your Dynasty, because you want your dynasty in power everywhere in this game}, and make sure your ducal succession type is a different person all together.

Thanks Astanna for your input. I never looked at the legal system as being the source. I mean, if I want to hold on to power then I think I should try and change the law now to one of the other succession systems I guess. I don't think my vassals would go for it though. It almost seems like, the more you try and make an overt grab for power in this game, the more it slips through your fingers. It seems like the times when I am most respected is when I am releasing my worst enemies from prison so they can stab me in the back again. One thing which I also do a lot of is diplomatic marriages. I feel like the royal dating service!

Well, anyway, thanks for the tips and I am going to ride this one out and see how long I can keep 'em liking me.
 

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I think he could easily create the Kingdom of Lotharingia as France and swear fealty after making it his primary.
wait, was Lotharingia is in vanilla?
(I haven't played vanilla since... :laugh:)
 

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Thanks Astanna for your input. I never looked at the legal system as being the source. I mean, if I want to hold on to power then I think I should try and change the law now to one of the other succession systems I guess. I don't think my vassals would go for it though. It almost seems like, the more you try and make an overt grab for power in this game, the more it slips through your fingers. It seems like the times when I am most respected is when I am releasing my worst enemies from prison so they can stab me in the back again. One thing which I also do a lot of is diplomatic marriages. I feel like the royal dating service!

Well, anyway, thanks for the tips and I am going to ride this one out and see how long I can keep 'em liking me.

just make sure you take this opportunity to create the Kingdom of Brittany title. :)
 

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But thunk on all the fun stuff you can do now. If you really don't want to be in charge, then swear fealty to the holy roman emperor, then you have reunited then caroline empire and have a good starting point for helping your emperor conquering the entire world.

Much better, destroy the French kingdom title and watch hilarity ensue.