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ratman

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I'm fairly new to CK2, only have been playing it a few months, so take that into account if this is a silly question.

This is my first CK2+ game, and I enjoy it, but I have an issue. I'm playing the HRE, and I've been primarily map-painting - the British Isles, France, Spain, most of Italy, Poland etc is mine, and I've been trying to dismantle the Byzantines.

The problem I'm having now is the vassal limit. My normal strategy of expansion is to pick a duchy, find the claimants to said duchy, get them into my court, use my imperial administration to revoke a duchy from some duke who doesn't like me or who I don't like, give the new arrival that duchy, then press their claim to take the whole duchy at once. I can't seem to "get into" playing the marriage game, so this is what I've been doing.

The problem is after about 300 years of both this and dejure drifting like crazy I have dozens of vassals with land scattered all over the place, and it's to the point where, for example, parts of the kingdom of Andalusia are in Poland, Brittany is almost entirely part of the kingdom of England, the kingdom of France has land in southern Spain...etc ad infinitum.

This wouldn't be something I mind except the vassal limit is really slowing me down. My vassals are almost all kings and dukes, and the dukes usually have land spread out as well. One duke for example has two counties in Croatia, but then he also has a county in Poland, and I can't transfer his vassal contract to anyone, and I suspect it's because his county in Poland is considered de jure part of his Croatian duchy.

I recognize that to a certain extent having dejure land scattered all over the map is kind of working-as-intended, but are there any tips or strategies I could avail myself of to 1) start on the road to fixing this issue 2) prevent it from happening in the future? Is it better to just pass the All Vassals law as soon as possible and just create kingdoms all over the place and try to keep them together before the drift? Turn off dejure drifting entirely?

Any insight would be appreciated.
 

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I set dejure drift to restricted. That will at least keep dejure kingdoms in one piece. Not sure what else can be done about that, since Plus already has mechanisms for repairing severe border gore. Imagine if it didn't.
 

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First off, welcome to CK2! If your vassals are not in a complete mess, you're not playing hard enough!

I set dejure drift to restricted. That will at least keep dejure kingdoms in one piece. Not sure what else can be done about that, since Plus already has mechanisms for repairing severe border gore. Imagine if it didn't.

Is indeed a good idea, but I have noticed that if you create a titular title, it only works on your capital duchy/kingdom, and then works slowly out from there. The drift doesn't actually allow for all the areas that could be drifted drifting at once, if you catch my drift (sorry).

Basically, if you don't play with people making titular titles, you won't notice if you use dejure drift on restricted, you will if you do.
 
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