Hello again. What have I missed?

[Pellaken]

It's been many years since I last played EUIII, but I decided to try it again. I've dusted off my old Gamers Gate account and am re-downloading the game.

I'm wondering what I've missed. It seems there are more expansions now? Also if I may ask, where can I get the patches? And did they ever make an easier alternative to that popular fanpac? I lost more games than I won, so easy is good for me

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

There are more expansions. Heir to the Throne, and Divine Wind, in that order, with it being possible to download a new compilation pack that includes all the expansions called "Chronicles".

They make significant changes to the game, not least of which is that the HRE is now formable by a series of decisions that provoke votes amongst the members of the HRE, the final one of which annexes all of the members to you, and changes you into the HRE as a single state. Another one is that hordes now have a unique mechanic that some people like, and some hate, whereby they do not use the standard war and peace mechanics, and can only be defeated by colonising the land out from under them. China and Japan also acquire new mechanics, with Japan starting fractured between four daimyo and being able to be united.
Patches as always can be downloaded from the launcher for the game.

 

[Pellaken]

Thanks. For some reason I can only open In Nominee, but I should have the Complete version. I remember having this problem in the past and someone suggested a fix, I don't suppose you could point me towards the thread(s)/subforum where such answers may be?

 

[Pellaken]

Yes thank you. I realized that Complete and IN are interchangeable in many ways. Does anyone know of a good events add-on package? I was never good enough for MM to begin with, and after years not playing I'm bound to be rusty, but I'd love a bunch of events to play around with. FTR the countries I plan on playing are England, Poland and Portugal, so events for them would be awesome.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Once you're back up to speed, the mods forum would be your best place to ask. I'm told there are some very good ones out there.

 

[n000b]

Another one is that hordes now have a unique mechanic that most peoble hate.

FIxed that one for you

Though fortunately this can be solved by later starting dates

 

[unmerged(80402)]

Hordes are easy if you know how to fight them. First off - don't fight them as minor contry - if you do - pay them tribute. And then grow big asap, then attack them until they die - and attack them when they fight other country. They tend to have 100k men, just because they can. You need to take their provinces. Destroying their armies, won't help much, but it is not bad if you manage to do it. You need to take their provinces, and don't let them retake them, and colonize them - in order to get them. When you got all their provinces - just stay at war with them, and colonize their provinces, until you take their last province.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

FIxed that one for you

Though fortunately this can be solved by later starting dates

I find it's quite mixed as to how much of the player base likes them. I am mostly indifferent to them, but it does make the game at least different depending where on the map you are now, rather than just being a case of what troops the other side can field. Just remember that only the extreme points of view tend to make it onto a forum in any numbers, and of those extreme views, the negative ones tend to be posted more heavily, because people don't go out of their way to say they like things.

 

[Pellaken]

In the version I have or in the new ones?

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

The hordes? They're a feature in Divine Wind.

 

[Pellaken]

Are they countries are non-country entities? Like is the Golden Horde one of "the hordes"? I love the DW maps and so badly want to buy it but not only do I not have enough money on me ATM, but beyond that, what I do have mightn't last me until the end of the month as it needs to :'(

Ah well I saved up to buy Complete, I will eventually do the same for Chronicals, or whatever it's called. I saw it for $30 on gamersgate.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

They are countries, just with new and different mechanics.
IIRC the Golden Horde, the Timurids, the Oirats, the Mongol Khanate, Khazak, and Sibir are the main ones. I generally don't have much difficulty with them if I'm in the area, but there is definately a technique to it.

 

[Pewt]

They are countries, just with new and different mechanics.
IIRC the Golden Horde, the Timurids, the Oirats, the Mongol Khanate, Khazak, and Sibir are the main ones. I generally don't have much difficulty with them if I'm in the area, but there is definately a technique to it.

If I recall correctly, the full list of hordes is:

Golden Horde
Timurids
Oirat Horde
Kazakh
Nogai
Chagatai
Mongol Khanate
Kazan
Sibir

Kazan and Sibir do not exist at game start, and the only real threats are the Golden Horde and the Timurids.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

It must be that the GH had collapsed hard giving a big Sibir in my recent Muscovy - Russia game.

 

[Pellaken]

Hum. I've always kind of liked things that remove the "edge" from any given map. The world has no edges after all!

 

[unmerged(77688)]

DW Buildings

Have they balanced out DW buildings? When I played last year I found the buildings to be fairly unbalanced. With just a few provinces with MP upgrade building, for example, you can field an army as large as France.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Who were you playing as? If it was one of the other medium-large powers then it wouldn't be difficult to have an army the size of France's. Was France at the normal borders, and had it absorbed the minors?

I've got an England game where I've got more troops than anyone but Ming, and I've not built any manpower buildings yet, although I do have to admit to having most of France as well.

 

[Uebergold]

I've got an England game where I've got more troops than anyone but Ming, and I've not built any manpower buildings yet

Hmm, the sentence starts to sound interesting!

although I do have to admit to having most of France as well.

And lose its excitement right here :O

 

[unmerged(80402)]

If I recall correctly, the full list of hordes is:

Golden Horde
Timurids
Oirat Horde
Kazakh
Nogai
Chagatai
Mongol Khanate
Kazan
Sibir

Kazan and Sibir do not exist at game start, and the only real threats are the Golden Horde and the Timurids.

Also Quara Koyunlu, and i think Ak-Koyunlu, but i am not sure, as when i saw them as revolter state they were just tribal despotism or something... Quara Koyunlu is a threat if you are Georgia. I rarely see them alive, due to they fight with 3 hordes at the same time. Only way to live as them is pray that timur does not attack you too soon, and instead he focus on dieing in battle with turks, golden horde focus on battle with Poland-Lithuania, and try to defeat quara koyunlu. And i think it is very possible that you won't succed with task of defeating them.

Big sibir can bring 20k men, which is not realy a big threat if you formed russia. Big threat is golden horde, aspecialy if they ate hungary. In one of my russian games they managed to gather 100k men after sibir rebeled from them. Just cause they ate hungary. And bit of poland, but it does not matter much. I think best way is to defeat them as fast as possible, or waiting for land tech 10. But better is defeating them fast. To defeat them fast, you need to form russia in possibly 10 years. To do it you would need to break some truces, but as muscowy aspecialy if you go serf+narrowminded, you can regain stab quite fast. For example i got around 200 stab cost as russia in around 1490 - for a moment, but still quite good. Anyway you should allways try to prevent golden horde from conquering anything near ottoman empire, as you want OE eat byzzantines, cause it gives you a decision available as russia.

 

[Uebergold]

Yup, Ak Koyunlu is no horde.