One thing i noticed in the very interessing "Egypt-Playthrough" of Johann, is the lack of distinction between Roman and Greek Factions. Sure one is a republik and the others often monarchies but i mean in the choices they have. One instance is the "triumph-option" which should be only avaible for Rome. The ancient definition of that word is very clear and ancient authors such as Valerius Maximus and Aulus Gellius specify under which circumsstances a triumph can be held. One of the main criterias is that the Triumph has to be held in the city of Rome (two exceptions are Triumphs in the Alban Mountains a few kilometers outside Rome). So it would be completely wrong to give the Greeks a ritual that is called triumph.
However i have a suggestion with various possible conditions:
Give them the possibility to hold a Pompa - Procession.
A pompa(lat.)/pompē(gr.) is a procession in which the images of a god or various gods a carried through the city and those processions are usually part of several activities. Usually it is the procession, the sacrifice, the meal and agones (games). Those processions happen at every festival and they could be integrated in various ways. Per definition every triumph is a pompa but not every pompa is a triumph. For that reason the triumph option could be changed just to pompa for imersion reasons or more seriously changed in something like the following events:
1. A pompa which celebrats the throne jubilee. We know that hellenistic rulers had a strong emphasis to celebrate there 10th year of rulership. This would be a way to hold an event that happens in a limited fashion within the game.
2. The etablishemt of a dynastic festival. In mind come the Ptolemaia and possibly Seleukeia which happend more or less regulary every 4 years and were composed of the four steps i described above including procession and games. With this you would have the ability to celebrate your dynasty in an event on a regular basis that would work similar to the feast or the Blod in CK 2. Maybe you could skip it once etablished but you would gain mali if you don't celebrate. Further it could be thought about making it similar two the coronation events in CK 2. The Seleucids and Ptolemeans tried to get as many greek entities (mostly cities) as possible to participate in their festivals. Like the monarchs in CK 2 you could try to invite other nations.
I fully understand why a triumph-option was given to the hellenistic monarchies, however it is based on a common missunderstanding. The only two great procession of the hellenistic era are often falsly interpretet as victory celebrations. The great Ptolemaia and its Dionysios Procession of Ptolemaios II Philadelphus and the so called "Daphne-Parade" of Antiochos IV. Epiphanes however are certainly not similar to a Triumph. The Triumph however has one condition that is undisputable and that is that the Triumph is a victory ritual resulted in a concrete victory which can be seen by the fact that the fasti triumphales always name the defeated nations and that within the triumph he have spoils of war and captives which sometimes were executed at the end of the procession. We have nothing like that in the hellenistic parades. We don't know the exact reason they were held, but we know that there were no captives or spoils of war included. Most likely both were regular festivals without a specific reason except that they were especially splendorous in context with paralell event like perhabs the jubilee of Ptolemaios II. etc. We simply don't know except that there are no indications that they were victory celebrations.
What do you guys think? Shouldn't there a bit variation between the factions and even if it's just a diffrent cultural name of the same gameplay mechanic? I in any case think so.
However i have a suggestion with various possible conditions:
Give them the possibility to hold a Pompa - Procession.
A pompa(lat.)/pompē(gr.) is a procession in which the images of a god or various gods a carried through the city and those processions are usually part of several activities. Usually it is the procession, the sacrifice, the meal and agones (games). Those processions happen at every festival and they could be integrated in various ways. Per definition every triumph is a pompa but not every pompa is a triumph. For that reason the triumph option could be changed just to pompa for imersion reasons or more seriously changed in something like the following events:
1. A pompa which celebrats the throne jubilee. We know that hellenistic rulers had a strong emphasis to celebrate there 10th year of rulership. This would be a way to hold an event that happens in a limited fashion within the game.
2. The etablishemt of a dynastic festival. In mind come the Ptolemaia and possibly Seleukeia which happend more or less regulary every 4 years and were composed of the four steps i described above including procession and games. With this you would have the ability to celebrate your dynasty in an event on a regular basis that would work similar to the feast or the Blod in CK 2. Maybe you could skip it once etablished but you would gain mali if you don't celebrate. Further it could be thought about making it similar two the coronation events in CK 2. The Seleucids and Ptolemeans tried to get as many greek entities (mostly cities) as possible to participate in their festivals. Like the monarchs in CK 2 you could try to invite other nations.
I fully understand why a triumph-option was given to the hellenistic monarchies, however it is based on a common missunderstanding. The only two great procession of the hellenistic era are often falsly interpretet as victory celebrations. The great Ptolemaia and its Dionysios Procession of Ptolemaios II Philadelphus and the so called "Daphne-Parade" of Antiochos IV. Epiphanes however are certainly not similar to a Triumph. The Triumph however has one condition that is undisputable and that is that the Triumph is a victory ritual resulted in a concrete victory which can be seen by the fact that the fasti triumphales always name the defeated nations and that within the triumph he have spoils of war and captives which sometimes were executed at the end of the procession. We have nothing like that in the hellenistic parades. We don't know the exact reason they were held, but we know that there were no captives or spoils of war included. Most likely both were regular festivals without a specific reason except that they were especially splendorous in context with paralell event like perhabs the jubilee of Ptolemaios II. etc. We simply don't know except that there are no indications that they were victory celebrations.
What do you guys think? Shouldn't there a bit variation between the factions and even if it's just a diffrent cultural name of the same gameplay mechanic? I in any case think so.
