heir rebels, defects

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Any suggestions on how to deal with an heir that rebels (as a count), surrenders (renounces title to me), and defects to another kingdom? Switching to semi-salic won't help since he's the oldest child, so I can't think of any good way to cut him out of the succession short of whacking him outright. Thoughts?

Playing as kingdom of Aragon, early 1200. Also trying to survive a war with the HRE.

 

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I think Consanguinity will make the strongest son the heir. If so, maybe that would do what you want.

Other than hating your oldest son is there any special reason you don't want him to inherit? Bad traits? Crummy stats?

When you fought and defeated him why didn't you revassalize him?

Good luck vs. HRE. If they have a strong and united kingdom, as happens occasionally, they will be painfully tough to fight.

 

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I think Consanguinity will make the strongest son the heir. If so, maybe that would do what you want.

Other than hating your oldest son is there any special reason you don't want him to inherit? Bad traits? Crummy stats?

When you fought and defeated him why didn't you revassalize him?

Good luck vs. HRE. If they have a strong and united kingdom, as happens occasionally, they will be painfully tough to fight.

Well, he's certainly a jerk for defying my divine authority, but I was more concerned that since he defected to England, if he inherits, I'll lose the game. He rebelled with his county, and surrendered the title back to me within a month or two, which I thought would mean he re-entered my court as a courtier, but instead he defected. Sometime along the way he gained the trait "rebellious" so I'm not sure if that's cause or effect.

My worry about consanguinity is that I think he IS the strongest, but is sworn to a new liege. His other brothers are quite weak.

Since he offered peace terms, I didn't see an option to re-vassalize him, and like I said, I assumed he'd "come home", so to speak.

The HRE war could go either way at the moment. They seem pretty well organized, but a fair fight is at least something I understand. This succession stuff is a bit ambiguous (but much more interesting).

 

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To clarify, he offered surrender terms, not me. He offered to give me the title to the province he had ruled and rebelled as count of, and i accepted.

 

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To clarify, he offered surrender terms, not me. He offered to give me the title to the province he had ruled and rebelled as count of, and i accepted.

Sure, but you could have declined that offer and made your own if you wanted a different outcome.

If your rebellious son inherits the King of Aragon title he won't be under anyone else, because a king can't be someone else's vassal. So it really wouldn't matter that, for now, he is in the service of the King of England.

 

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The re-vassalize option is the first option you can see when offering a peace deal. (but it's greyed out most of the time, you have to click it in order to see it) More often than not a rebellious son/nephew/some other guy from your bloodline will return to your court within a couple of months anyway, so just wait it out.

And as jwolf said, if your rebellious son inherits, he inherits ALL of your titles including the King title.

 

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That makes more sense. My fear was more that he was now serving another liege, who would inherit my lands when I die. If he inherits all of my titles, then the point is moot since it won't be game-over.

I should have offered to re-vassalize him, but I was under the impression that he would simply return to the court since he's a family member, even after giving up his title. I didn't know that re-vassalizing was a separate surrender term.

I may try to assassinate or disinherit him anyway, for his impudence, but with the succession safe I can concentrate on not being gobbled up by the HRE with their 11k man armies...